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I posted this at my own blog and was encouraged to post over here as well.

What can anyone tell me about the organizations that are coming up like Faithful Democrats and CrossLeft? I know some things about them from my personal relationships. A friend went to college with one of the founders of Faithful Democrats. I went to college with one of the founders of CrossLeft. And, yes, I have spoken to these people about the mission etc. But what what I am curious about is how they fit within the church...or if they rightly express the church.

I am likely not making much sense. Hmm...

Okay, this is what I am struggling with: reason. Ever since the Pope's famed speech, I have been wondering about reason's place in our society and how our varying understandings of it rear their heads in our political life as people attempting to be faithful.

Jesus said: ‘You have heard that it was said, “You shall love your neighbour and hate your enemy.� But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax-collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect. - Matthew 5 following the Beatitudes
And then there is this quotation: If we are directed only by our particular natures, and
regulate our inclinations by no higher rule than that of our
reasons, we are but moralists; divinity will still call us
heathens. Therefore this great work of charity must have other
motives, ends, and impulsions. I give no alms to satisfy the
hunger of my brother, but to fulfill and accomplish the will
and command of my God; I draw not my purse for his sake that
demands it, but his that enjoined it; I relieve no man upon
the rhetoric of his miseries, nor to content mine own
commiserating disposition, for this is still but moral
charity, and an act that oweth more to passion than reason.
... Sir Thomas Browne (1605-1682), Religio Medici [1643]In both cases, what is reasonable (utilitarian?) is stretched to an almost foolish position. "Perfection" seems to turn torture chambers into romper rooms. Charity is not then an act that makes sense, but embodies Christian perfection. Such perfection is both journey and goal. The telos is revealed in the journey. It is not that acts of charity sans divine inspiration are bad. Hardly. Ubi caritas et amor... But the early church, if I remember correctly, would include initiates in charitable work but not in the "greater mysteries" of the church such as communion until after baptism. The charity was to reveal the mystery...and then when the mystery was embraced, charity is then fruit of the Spirit...an expression of growing perfection.

I know I am wandering a bit here, but I am wondering all this stuff in the context of the rise of more "liberal" Christian movements. I do not think that these movements should be pitted against the so-called conservative religious right as much as they should pit themselves against reason - a reason that is held over and above faith and spirit and not in concert with it.

In short, should our target be the Religious Right or should it be the hyper-rationalist culture in which we live that gravitates to secularism or purity cults?

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Faithful Democrats

Thank you for your post regarding our website. We appreciate it.
Our mission is to engage people of faith to look at other value issues such as poverty, war, torture, the environment and equality. It is not simply abortion and gay marriage that the religious right continues to shout about. We hope that many of your will enjoy our site with discussions from theologians and politicians talking about the various issues from a faith perspective. We encourage each of you to post on the readers diaries about your thoughts and opinions as well. We look forward to hearing from you.

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reason and rationalism

AngloBaptist's picture

The trouble I had with crafting the post at all was trying to come up with an appropriate definition of "reason." The Pope's lengthy address is ample reason to understand the difficulty of this. But perhaps "rationalism" is our problem and a better term for the issue at hand. It is not that we give up reason. Loving the Lord with our mind suggests this matter of factly. Nonetheless, our reason too is transformed. We are asked to reasonably understand some incredible things...like swords that turn into ploughshares.

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you are right about rationalism

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I think you are right to distinguish between rationalism and reason. Rationalism is a mode of thinking that can also lead to rigid response to intellectual frameworks that incorporate faith. Many secularists have become almost fundamentalist in their adherence to rationalism, rather than being open to the fact that faith can be a primary motivator for action and indeed social justice. Progressives of faith and no faith often come to the same conclusion about public policy, but there is yet a bit of work that must be done to bridge the theological or ideological division. We can start by being tolerant and having honest dialogue within the progressive community.

telos and politics

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This is what I wonder about what we are doing...Are we looking toward a divine end or a political end? The difference between the left-leaning faithful and the secularists is that for the secularist the political system is the end. And that is all. It is at best utopian. But Christianity is not utopian. It's telos is incarnational and may be revealed in political ways, but in the end humanity belongs to God. How we speak to the secular left and the secular right about a revealed Kingdom is a tricky business. The secularist may go so far as to suggest that we have progressed beyond God. See: technological, medical, scientific innovation, for example. But faithful progressives believe in the sanctification of a nation, a people. Our progress is toward God.

How many angels dance on the head of this pin, anyway? LOL.

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Target not Religious Right

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AngloBaptist,

You've challenged us with a lot of food for thought here. I don't have time to respond to all of it right now, but I hope the CrossLeft community will jump in on the conversation here. Couple of quick thoughts...

1. Reason. I don't believe that Christians or any other people of faith have to give up reason to live their faith. There are times when an over rationalistic approach to the world can be damaging, but faith without reason can also be quite damaging. God gave us reasoning minds with the intention that we use them to discern God's will, to treat each other with respect and justice and to figure out the world around us.

2. Religious Right. I agree with your positioning here. Our work at CrossLeft and the Institute of Progressive Christianity is not to counter the Right, but rather to build community amongst progressive and moderate Christians, to better define how our Christ-inspired values relate to our politics and views on public policy, and to build institutions that reflect those values. A lot of folks challenged us to start debating or engaging with the Religious Right early on. I don't think we're ready for that. I think we need to define who we are and what we believe first. We still have a long way to go in that respect.

looking forward to more conversation.

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