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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

Less beautiful stuff below.

Davey Henreckson is afraid I've missed his main point:

I am not try to whine-out about how the left behaves as badly as the right (though that, again, may be very true). I am trying to point out that partisans of both sides of the political spectrum use civil religion for their own purposes. And I would like to suggest that Senator Obama is just as guilty of this sin as Pat Robertson. It’s the whole plank-in-the-eye syndrome that plagues right and left-wingers.

Well, no, I got that. I'm no expert on these issues, but I'm not sure it's safe to say that "both sides of the political spectrum use civil religion for their own purposes." Yes, Obama, yes, Bill Clinton started the Faith-Based Initiatives under a different name. But then who? Carter was open about his evangelical Baptist beliefs, but he was also the one who signed into law the prohibition on religious academies receiving federal tax breaks. LBJ actually slipped the requirement that non-profits abstain from political activity into a bill, literally in the dead of night. You'd really have to go back to FDR's relief efforts to find anything comparable to what Obama's proposing.

All that being said, I'm happy to stipulate for the sake of argument that Democrats would use civil religion for political purposes, if it suited their needs. It's just that we have differentiate rhetorical strategies - which both parties have definitely used, ad nauseum - from actual governance. On the latter score, Republicans almost certainly come out ahead.

All that said, that wasn't even my point, which was mostly aimed at Dreher. Rod, as usual, sets up a false equivalence here, then charges Democrats with not living up to their end of the wankerrific structure he's built for them.

While there are legitimate concerns with Obama's proposal, no responsible commentator that I've seen so far has charged him with creeping theocracy. That, counter to that cretin Dreher, is not because they're hypocrites, but because they understand the difference between actual theocracy and a simple but troubling blurring of the lines between church and state.

Like Davey, I'm tied up in holiday weekend activities, but if you want to know more about the unsavory characters the Bush administration has associated with, and their fundamentally anti-democratic bent (all puns intentional), go read Talk to Action, then read up on the Blogs against Theocracy. It's all very educational and not a little bit creepy. Those guys really are theocrats, as they'll occasionally admit. By comparison, Obama has good intentions but is possibly on the wrong track.

So sure, that might be a speck in liberals' eye compared to the plank in conservatives' oracular apparatus. But the problem with that setup is that while liberals are fretting over their sins of judgment, conservatives are wrecking the joint. There are times when "a pox on both their houses" is the appropriate response, and there are times when you just have to call the B.S. for what it is. Or as Reinhold Niebuhr put it:

Men who are equally sinners in the sight of God need not be equally guilty of a specific act of wrongdoing in which they are involved. It is important to recognize that Biblical religion has emphasized the inequality of guilt just as much as the equality of sin.

...and no weasels:

Nobody could have predicted...oh screw it, everybody knew reactionary Evangelicals would suck it up and back the GOP nominee, whoever he might be:

More than 90 evangelical leaders representing millions of conservative Christians met in Denver on Tuesday to lament the condition of the religious conservative movement and to conclude they should get behind Sen. John McCain even if they didn’t like everything about him as a candidate.
         
“The alternative is so bad we must support John McCain,” said Phyllis Schlafly, founder and president of Eagle Forum, adding that the leaders should have held a strategy meeting in 2001 when it was clear Vice President Dick Cheney wouldn’t run for president instead of waiting until four months before the 2008 election.

Oh, honestly. The conservative ideology is so far spent that all they can think to do is throw out more sophisticated versions of school-yard taunts. In this case: "So are you!"

Critics of “Christendom” or “Christianism” vary widely. But the more left-leaning critics just got a bit of a blow with Obama’s newly-professed support of faith-based initiatives. Crunchy Con Rod Dreher points out the quandry in which this puts Obama supporters, like Andrew Sullivan.

It’s always been clear to me that liberals don’t really object to religion in public life; they object to conservative religion in public life. Church-state, “Christianist” talk is just rhetorical expediency. After all, how many liberals would have objected to the Catholic Archbishop of New Orleans excommunicating obstreperous segregationist politicians in the 1960s?

I think Dreher makes an excellent point. Christians who are concerned with establishing the independent polis of the Church have reason to be concerned about government-funded/faith-based initiatives. Because the present “conservative” administration first championed the movement, those on the left had an easy target. It’s easy to rail against the “Christianism” of a political movement you hate. But, really—American civil religion has always been championed just as much by the left. Perhaps even more so. The Victorian Social Gospel wasn’t exactly driven by proto-neocons.

No, it isn't an excellent point. It's more wanking from Dreher, who never met a facile point he could pass up. It's quite true that some folks on the left have problems with Obama's continuation of Bush's Faith-Based Initiatives (it's not a new position, by the way).

But for crying in the night, can you blame them? It's not like this program doesn't have a track record. It was designed to shovel money at religious conservatives, many of whom have no use for teh queer like Andrew Sullivan. The church-state concerns raised by faith-based programs may be justified, or they may not. But they're hardly beyond the pale, and they're hardly just partisan slings and arrows.

And since when does Andrew Sullivan get to represent the left? And since when do all liberals object to conservative religion in public life? They often criticize it, but there's hardly a widespread movement to disenfranchise Southern Baptists.

This is really just a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't logical fallacy. If liberals admit that they like Obama's position, then aha! They have to admit that Pat Robertson and his protein shakes weren't all that bad!! And if they say they don't care for it, then aha! Democrats are in disarray and if they get their way Richard Dawkins will teach your children to hate America!!! What a load. Burdening policy preferences with social conflict is the cheapest of cheap shots. Anybody who's read Rod Dreher (or Jonah Goldberg, or Michele Malkin, or...) knows that.

But to Davey Henreckson's point, aren't you forgetting the neo-orthodox challenge to civil religion? Obama is certainly aware of Niebuhr's critique of political overreaching, all the more reason to hold him up to high standards on his use of religious institutions as a tool of public policy. Because surely the only thing worse than governmental arrogance in thinking it can solve the problems of the world is to having the church conned into thinking it can do the same, given enough money and government direction. You don't have to be a "secularist" to think that might be something of a problem.

[editor's note, by PoliSigh]Happy 4th of July!


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From the Ministry Institute at Mater Dei ( Full post )

As I've blogged here in years past, we always got the day after Halloween off. As young kids, we thought it might be to recover from the fun of the night before and have a day to barter candy from siblings. We thought this even though the nuns told us again and again the reason we had it off was because it was a feast day (and the mandatory Mass was a reminder it wasn't just a fun, fun day.) ( Full post )

Father Dan's Jubilee homily contained some great Jesuit history. And now the big challenge facing the Jesuits is lower numbers than the society once had. Interesting side note: California politico Jerry Brown was a year ahead of Father in the Society. He left in his fourth year. ( Full post )

From Britain's newspaper The Telegraph: ( Full post )

Blog reader Kipling L. McVay was in search of information about Mary Magdalene and her condemnation by Pope Gregory. (See post below.) ( Full post )

When Jesuit Dan Kendall was a novitiate in 1957 in California, the young men worked the seminary's vineyards. ( Full post )

The last Catholicism for a New Millennium lecture for the Fall will be this Thursday, November 29, at 7:30 at the Gonzaga Law School. John Perry SJ, from the University of Manitoba speaking on “Torture: Religious Ethics and National Security” ( Full post )

Monk and mystic Thomas Merton wrote these words in his 1949 book Seeds of Contemplation. See any parallels to today's world? ( Full post )

Took a long weekend to fly to San Francisco to celebrate Jesuit Dan Kendall's 50th year as a Jesuit. ( Full post )

Beliefnet has a cute cover story today reviewing 10 religious Halloween candies, representing a variety of faith traditions. (These are actual candies, mostly available through religious Web sites.) ( Full post )

I'm shuttering Journey to Vatican III today. It was a bit of a tough decision for me, because the blog has been a way to research Catholic issues and I've "met" Catholics from around the world who e-mailed me after reading blog items. ( Full post )

(This post is being simulblogged at Matter of Opinion. Go there if you do know some of the pioneers mentioned below. Almost all of them are well-known to people in regional Catholic Land.) ( Full post )

John Allen's weekly column in National Catholic Reporter had an interesting analysis of the pope's relationship with Latin American bishops. Liberation theology is always a sticking point. ( Full post )