Of the three Democratic front runners, who would you vote for today?
Submitted by Stephen Rockwell on Sat, 01/05/2008 - 15:38
Hillary Clinton
19% (11 votes)
John Edwards
37% (22 votes)
Barack Obama
44% (26 votes)
Total votes: 59












Donny
Mike Huckabee is truly Christian and progressive. He has proven what it means to look forward and to implement change without altering scripture to mean something different than what the Christians of the first century Church meant. There shouldn't be a inescapable connection with being a progressive and being a Democrat. There are many things that Democrats support, as do the GOP, that are in opposition to Christian truth. Huckabee presents a great vision for America.
How is Huckabee a progressive?
How is Huckabee a progressive?
And why do you continue to represent yourself on CrossLeft as a progressive.
Here's what you said on other sites:
"Liberals plague our Church. They are anti-Christian by their actions and doctrines."
"Liberals re-write Christianity for gay marriage, unfettered promiscuity and Marxist aims. Muslims, Liberals and Progressives are in complete opposition to the New Testament writings that those that wrote it DIED FOR. Muslims do not believe Jesus is God, nor do they believe that He died for our sins, nor do they believe that He was the Son of God. Liberals and Progressives (the power base of the Democrat party) work without fasting to criminalize Christian speech and beliefs and re-write whatever disapproves of their choices and lifestyles."
"The Leftians want our troops home to become Leftians. Nothing more noble than that. This is not a game these leftists are playing. They are playing for keeps. Keeping the populace under their heels. Venezuela sound familiar?
And lying about Christianity and rewriting it to serve their purposes is reality in Liberal/Progressive social politics."
http://blog.beliefnet.com/jwalking/2007/05/dear-reader.html.comments.html
Honestly, coming onto this site trying to confuse the dialogue by saying your a progressive and that progressive should believe in conservative principles is really lame and disingenuous. Your diatribes against progressive and liberals clearly demonstrate that you aren't.
Say who you are and what you believe in and we can have an honest dialogue. You have unfortunately decided to be dishonest in your approach to this community.
Donny
Stephen,
If this "Donny" is who I think he is he is a hard-core right-winger who regularly writes diatribes against anyone to the left of Attilla the Hun over at Beliefnet.com. He is no progressive by any standard of measure and is in fact a very divisive person who seems to relish making outlandish statements and demonizing anyone who disagrees with him. He is sort of a male version of Ann Coulter. (Or at least a wanna-be version.) It is best to just ignore him.
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Hey Richard,
Thanks for connecting on this. It is the same Donny unless there's two folks name Donny using the same yahoo email address.
I would agree with your assessment about ignoring him, but he is now taken a new tactic: trying to represent himself as a progressive and then offer the same conservative viewpoint in a more nuanced fashion.
This is frankly dishonest and cowardly in my opinion and doesn't lead to productive dialogue. We have no problem with discussing the issues with conservatives who come onto this site, but I do have an issue with folks who are not clear about their intentions and in this case just dishonest about it. What's Christian about misrepresenting yourself?
Quibbling with Obama
Two comments made by Obama have stuck in my mind and continue to bother me. (Every candidates comments about Iran bother me.)
One, on the night of his Iowa victory, but not in his victory statement, was, roughly: "...we will remake America. And then we will go on to save the world."
That was in line with what he said in April to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs<.a>: "I still believe that America is the last, best hope of Earth. We just have to show the world why this is so."
That should sound rather suspect to any spiritual/religious person, whether fundamentalist or progressive or moderate or just confused. Christians, for example, might be forgiven for thinking that Jesus is "the last, best hope of Earth".
Clinton has said similar things, referring affirmatively to the "creative tension" between realism and "our deeply-held desire to remake the world as it ought to be."
Some of this, no doubt, is just patriotic boilerplate on both their parts. But it's still dangerous messianic imperialism, a continuation of the Manifest Destiny tradition. We don't need that line of thinking to be reinforced by even casual political rhetoric.
The other thing that Obama said, or wrote (in "The Audacity of Hope"), that bothers me is that, in occupying "the middle ground", he rejects the "extremes" that are represented by Rush Limbaugh and NPR.
NPR?
In December 2005, NPR ombudsman and former Vice President Jeffrey Dvorkin listed the number of times NPR had cited experts from conservative and liberal think tanks in the previous year. His numbers indicate an overwhelmingly conservative bias. His own tally (239 Right, 141 Left) showed that 63% of NPR experts from think tanks came from from right-leaning organizations while only 37% came from left-leaning organizations. The "left-leaning organizations" were two: the Brookings Institutiion, more of a centrist group, and another group that has Henry Kissinger on its board.
Taking Obama literally would put him solidly right of center. I wouldn't put him that far right, but I think he's more CrossCenter than CrossLeft. Granted, that's a big improvement over CrossRight. One could make a good case for "middle" at this juncture -- I won't argue that one way or the other at the moment. And playing to moderate and moderately right of center folk by classifying NPR as extreme is understandable. But it's so inaccurate....
correct assessment
I concur with your quibbles and thank you for taking pains to post helpful info.
Not necessarily a propos of anything noted by you, I would also suggest to everyone a visit to Obama's church Trinity United Church of Christ website tucc.org for some very interesting reading about how the Gospel is being lived there. The church gives ( me anyway) a warm feeling and the same comes thru in Obama speeches as well.
Blessings and peace!
Who best lives the life of a follower of Christ?
I can't help but say Edwards on this one. He has spoken the most about trying to help those who need it most. Sure, we're overdue for a woman or non-white in office, but the best person for the average American is Edwards! I understand where he's coming from. My family has struggled ever since my parents got married. My dad has worked his fingers to the bone (literally) to provide an education for me because we're too "rich" to get help and too poor to pay for school outright. i don't have the best health, yet i can't afford the insurance to help me. i am in need of surgery that i can't afford! i can't afford the gas to get to work! at times i find myself wishing i was more poor in order to receive federal benefits just so i could get the things i need. John Edwards understands where i am, where most of America is living, living from paycheck to paycheck, praying that a family crisis doesn't come because they know they can't pay for it. The evangelical right-wingers are crying out for a "Godly man" to be in office... let Edwards show them what a true Godly man is.
RESPECTER of The Constitution + PeaceSeeker Paul
BILL MOYERS: In politics, it's usually the insurgent who carries the discontent of people who feel excluded from the mainstream. This campaign Ron Paul is the insurgent. Congressman Ron Paul from Texas placed fifth in Iowa with ten percent of the vote. But turn on your computer, and you'll find him at the top of the world's most watched video posting site.
Read and watch interview:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/01042008/watch2.html
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer of "30 Minutes with Vanunu"
Ron Paul is more of a democrat than a democrat! He's my choice!
I switched from Democrat in order to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primaries. He's about the only real anti-war candidate who has a chance of winning!
At any rate, here is my latest articleJanuary 4, 2008
Jewish Voice for Peace Leader Said “Anyone who thinks that Israel had anything to do with 9-11 is naïve.”
By Wendy Campbell
The time has come
To say fair’s fair
To pay the rent
To pay our share
The time has come
A fact’s a fact
It belongs to them
Lets give it back
How can we dance when our earth is turning
How do we sleep when our beds are burning
The time has come
A fact’s a fact
It belongs to us all
Lets give it back
- Lyrics to “Beds Are Burning” by Midnight Oil
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10BbpGKLXqk
The time has come for me to finally write about my experience with The Jewish Voice for Peace (JVP) beginning back in 2001 shortly after the tragic events of 9-11.
I had already begun to learn the Truth about racist, apartheid Israel shortly after the Second Intifada (uprising or “shaking off” in Arabic) in September 2000 during a lunch break from my job at the time, while I was listening to the famous progressive Berkeley-based KPFA radio station. What I heard mesmerized me. When I reached the parking lot at my workplace and parked my car, I couldn’t get out of the car because I felt compelled to listen to the entire interview between an Israeli, a Palestinian and an American with regards to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. What I was hearing were things the mainstream US media never really addresses nor rarely reveals to the American public: mainly the conflict as seen from the Palestinian point of view, as well as from an objective point of view (the American non-Zionist interviewer).
I also learned from this interview certain generally hidden facts such how the Israeli prime minister Yitzshak Rabin, who was really going to make some important concessions with the Palestinians in order for Israel to finally take some real steps towards justice and peace between the Israelis and Palestinians, was assassinated in 1995 by an extremist Zionist Jewish Israeli. That act completely halted any genuine peace process since then, so the assassin’s motive for killing him was achieved. Obviously this man’s ideology has a strong support base because ever since then, the “peace process” has never seriously been revived. The “peace process”, which is completely dominated and controlled by Israel, and backed by its supporters in the US government, is really just a “stalling process”, while the ethic-cleansing campaign continues unabetted. Contrary to what the Israelis claim, the Palestinians have no “partner in peace” in the Israelis, who have not stopped stealing more Palestinian land nor their collective punishment against all Palestinians via crippling roadblocks, turning off electricity and water supplies at will for long lengths of time, and basically literally starving the Palestinians in what amounts to huge open-air concentration camps. The only thing that can stop this madness is for the USA to stop all manner of support to Israel and for everyone to boycott apartheid Israel, just as apartheid South Africa was boycotted.
At any rate, much of my experience about this time can be found in my first ever political article, which is entitled “Why I Am A Pro-Palestinian Activist” and at the website for my tiny media company MarWen Media. You can find the link at: http://www.marwenmedia.com/articles_images/WhyIAmProPal.html
However until now, I have never written about my experience with the Jewish Voice for Peace, which I had discovered shortly after 9-11 from a flyer I had picked up at La Pena Cultural Center when I had attended an excellent slideshow entitled “Face of the Occupation” which was presented by Penny Rosenwasser of MECA (Middle East Children’s Alliance) which is directed by Penny’s partner, Barbara Lubin, an anti-Zionist of Jewish heritage. Penny is also active in the JVP. She calls herself a Zionist, but I think this is simply just because of a deep desire on her part to be close to her Jewish community, most of whom are Zionists.
Her slideshow was the inspiration for my first documentary “Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid”. Penny Rosenwasser, a Jewish American peace and human rights activist, was very generous to me, allowing me to film her slideshow with my video camcorder and even giving me a copy of a photo she took of a Jews-only by-pass road in Israel, where Palestinians are shot and/or arrested if they are caught trying to use it. Of course there are no signs there which say “No Palestinians Allowed” because that would broadcast the fact that Israel is an apartheid country by putting it in writing, confirming the obvious. For more details on these apartheid roads in Israel including that photo, see http://www.marwenmedia.com/articles_images/ApartheidIsraelRoads.html
Her slideshow and this photo of the apartheid by-pass road for Jews-only are featured prominently in my documentary. When I premiered my documentary “Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid” at La Pena Cultural Center in Berkeley, California, the very place where I saw her slide show about a year earlier, I donated half of the proceeds to the Middle East Children’s Alliance.
At any rate, I discovered the Jewish Voice for Peace from that flyer at her slide show and decided to try to attend one of their meetings, since it was the only group of any sort that I knew about which was discussing Middle East politics. At that time, most Americans were simply clueless about Israel and the Middle East in general. I should know. I used to be one of them.
I showed up at the doorstep of the house in Berkeley where a meeting of the Jewish Voice for Peace was being held sometime in early November 2001 and asked the greeter at the door if I was “allowed” to attend even if I am not Jewish . The person let me in.
I found myself seated next to Prof. Joel Beinin, who teaches at Stanford University and the University of California at Berkeley. We chatted before the meeting began. He was very nice and informative. In fact, he told me he was going to give some lectures about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict to a class at the UC Berkeley and when I expressed an interest in attending it as a guest, he gave me his permission. I did show up with my camcorder and filmed the entire lecture. Unfortunately, I was just getting used to my camcorder and the quality is not not great, so I did not include any of it in my documentary “Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid”. (Note: Ultra hardcore Zionist and Islamaphobic David Horowitz has relentlessly slandered Prof. Beinin for his activism with JVP and beyond.)
Anyway, everyone was seated in the crowded room, in chairs, sofas and on the floor. Lincoln Shlensky sat on the floor in the middle of the crowded room. He was one of the original members and leaders of the Jewish Voice for Peace, which was formed in 1996, after the provocative opening by the Netanyahu government of an archaeological tunnel under Jerusalem's Temple Mount, which led directly to confrontations in which 65 Palestinians and 14 Israelis were killed. After that conflict seemed to settle down a bit during yet another sham of a “peace process”, the Jewish Voice for Peace basically disbanded. However, shortly after 9-11-01, the group was resurrected again, apparently to deal some damage control. One astute observer of the Jewish political scene has made the reasonable statement that if the JVP didn’t exist, then the Likuds would have invented it themselves for creating good PR for Israel, but really nothing much more than that, in that there is no positive change in the direction that Israel has embarked on since day one with regards to the human rights of the non-Jewish native Palestinians.
“ANYONE WHO THINKS ISRAEL HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH 9-11 IS NAÏVE.” says JVP Leader
Lincoln Shlensky, a pleasant Jewish man, a student at UC Berkeley and who seemed to be in his mid-30s, twisted himself left and right in order to look around the room and make eye-contact with everyone as he opened the meeting with the proclamation that “anyone who thinks that Israel has anything to do with 9-11 is naïve.”
Hmmm… I thought to myself. Very interesting. If this was indeed the case, why are we even here? It immediately seemed to me like a bit of self-deception at best and deliberate deception at worst. It quickly became obvious to me that the Jewish Voice for Peace was really basically about doing damage control with regards to Israel’s obvious role in 9-11 and they were running interference for any attempts to blame or criticize Israel in any way for the 9-11 attacks.
At that time, I believed, like many others, that 9-11 was blowback as a result from the unjust US foreign policy in the Middle East which is basically blind, unconditional support for Israel. This includes funneling billions of US tax dollars yearly in cash and in military aid to Israel, as well as providing diplomatic cover and even military cover as demanded by Israel. This is despite the fact that aggressive and war-mongering Israel, which is a racist, apartheid, Jewish supremacist state is built upon an on-going campaign of ethnic-cleansing of non-Jewish native Palestinians from their own land, homes and businesses. Israel habitually breaks International Laws and UN Resolutions, since day one of its existence in 1948 when it began the process of wiping Palestine off the map, with the consent of the ruling international political elites at the time.
It was only until about 2003 to 2004 that I came to believe that Israeli agents actually played a direct role in making 9-11 happen, as in Larry Silverstein allowing the Mossad to plant explosives in the World Trade Center buildings which brought them down on that fateful day. Not only did WTC buildings 1 and 2 implode/explode but so did building 7 which was not even hit by a jet. This is really the smoking gun. But more about that later.
I had begun to study in depth about the true nature of racist, apartheid Israel beginning with a little booklet I had picked up that night at La Pena when I went to Penny Rosenwasser’s slideshow “The Face of the Occupation”. This highly recommended and well-known booklet is entitled “Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict”. It was written by Jews for Justice in the Middle East. I found it spell-binding, and it can be printed out in PDF form or just read it at http://www.cactus48.com
Anyway, back to that first JVP meeting. Although I didn’t agree with Lincoln’s proclamation about the innocence of Israel with regards to 9-11, I felt that I maybe I could learn more about it all and even partner up with some Jewish people who might feel the way I did on some political activist activities.
Talk about being naïve! That didn’t happen, although I really gave it the good girl scout try.
At that time, JVP didn’t even have a brochure! I was surprised at how they basically just sat around talking or you could say, kvetching, about how they felt. Really it was basically just a big therapy session for them, to manage their anxieties, their feelings of guilt, and worries about how this would all affect the Jewish community, the Jewish state of Israel and its relationship with its sponsor and benefactor, the United States of America.
I was ready for taking some real actions, as in printing up some postcards to hand out to educate the American public and to mail to politicians about the Israel-Palestine conflict. At that time, I was actually wanting to promote the Two-State Solution, two separate states of Israel and Palestine, because at that time I thought that was the more “realistic” solution. When I tried to enlist the help of others on the JVP’s subcommittee of “Stop US Military Aid to Israel” to help me pay for some postcards to be printed up promoting the Two-State Solution (since I worked at a printing company, and would get a discounted price on printing them) I got no takers. In fact, one Jewish woman at JVP even ridiculed my efforts. So I decided to take a different tact and got some other activists and friends outside of the JVP to help me pay for the postcards calling for the Two-State Solution based on the 1967 borders. When I asked the leaders of JVP if I could reference their website on the postcard, even just to say “For more information”, not claim “Endorsed by JVP”, they said N-O. No way. I was perplexed and getting discouraged with them and their lack of a sense of urgency about doing anything or making a strong stand on anything besides just saying they were “against the occupation”, which is akin to saying you are against rape but not sexism.
Some of the members of JVP began to make it clear that I was not really welcome to be there, especially Joel Beinin’s wife Miriam, and another woman, and a couple of the men, too. So I stopped going to their meetings.
To be fair, some members of JVP were exceptionally kind, generous and open to me. And perhaps many of them are as clueless as your average American. But unlike your average American, they are committed to maintaining Israel as a Jewish supremacist state. Anyway, the time had come for me to part ways with the Jewish Voice for Peace.
I later became an advocate of the One-Democratic State solution, after realizing that the Two-State Solution is really just official apartheid, shortly before I made my documentary “Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid” in 2003, and I had some postcards made up advocating the One-Democratic State solution for disseminating to the public and politicians.
Later I ran into a JVP member at an event screening a documentary about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, and I said hello to him. He was very cold to me and mentioned that he had heard that I was getting “radical”, to which I said, I guess you could say that (according to some people that might seem true, but not to me) , but I am NOT violent. Then he said darkly, “You better be careful.” It sounded like he said it as a threat to me rather than out of concern for my safety.
I have long since abandoned any attempts to seek approval or permission from Jewish people with regards to my activism efforts. I act only based on my beliefs in The Golden Rule, the Ten Commandments and the teachings of Jesus Christ. I don’t need to managed by Jews, although some of them seem to think I do. I avoid seeing everything through a Jewish filter by avoiding as much as possible the US mainstream media. I do read it or watch it occasionally just to keep current of the latest propaganda, but I get most of my news from a wide variety of sources on the internet, sometimes even from the website of the progressive Israeli newspaper the Ha’aretz. I also count myself as fortunate to have some good Jewish friends who are also activists in seeking justice, freedom, equality, peace and security for the Palestinian people.
FIRST SEED PLANTED WITH REGARDS TO 9-11 AS THE INSIDE JOB
I first heard about 9-11 being an inside job from a flyer that was being disseminated at some anti-war rally by some activists in San Francisco on behalf of Lyndon LaRouche, a political figure who has run for president numerous times. The flyer just said something about how the US government was involved with making 9-11 happen and that the Arab terrorists were just patsies. At first I was just flabbergasted! I even called up a representative for LaRouche and questioned him about this bizarre assertion. After I finished talking with this man, I hung up, still shaking my head, still thinking it was really far-fetched. However, the seed had been planted and it started to slowly grow.
On July 4, 2003, I attended a 9-11 Truth event at an artsy building where many kinds of creative and alternative events regularly occur in the Mission district of San Francisco. At that time, my belief that 9-11 was indeed an INSIDE JOB by elements in our own government had fully blossomed.
Then, as the extremely convincing evidence kept pouring in about the use of explosives to bring down the World Trade Centers which were owned by neocon Larry Silverstein who is best friends with the Israeli ex-Prime Minister Netanyahu (one of the authors of PNAC), along with the reports of the “dancing Israeli spies”, the warnings made to the Israeli Mossad front company Odigo in the World Trade Center, Mossad agent Dominic Suter and his Urban Moving Systems with his van with explosives, the Fox News 4-part series on “Israeli Spying in the US” which was later spiked from its archives, the manifesto of the neocons’ Project for New American Century, I have become totally convinced that along with Americans Bush, Cheney, and Israeli-Americans Wolfowitz, Perle and their neocon cohorts, that Israeli agents played a major role in “making it happen” with regards to the 9-11 attacks. The free-fall collapse of Building 7 was really the biggest smoking gun, along with Larry Silverstein’s video-taped admission about it being “pulled”, which can be easily found on the internet. The fact that the government and the mainstream media have refused to address any of this in any meaningful way confirms my conclusions shared by many others, that there is a cover-up of 9-11 as an inside job and the apparent Israeli connection as well.
I have reached my conclusions in a way that is very similar to the account by Ryan Dawson at this URL: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11neocon.php
Another book that really lays it on the line with all the evidence and proof is “9-11 Evil” by Victor Thorne and Lisa Guiliani available at: http://www.wingtv.net/911evil.html
There are by now lots of books and many DVDs that really make the case for 9-11 having been an INSIDE JOB, although many do not mention the Israeli connection directly or at all in some cases, mainly due out of fear of retaliation and being smeared by the common smear words used by shills for Israel towards anyone who dares to criticize the Jewish state of Israel, Zionism and its political supporters. The typical, predictable smear words include” “anti-Semite”, “nazi”, “hitler”, “holocaust denier”, “white supremacist”, which are certainly all completely untrue accusations with regards to myself and are generally untrue with regards to anyone who is smeared as such by Israel-firsters. It’s just a method the Israel-firsters use to attempt to intimidate anyone from criticizing Israel and Zionism, in an all out dirty effort to maintain the status quo with regards to US support for the Jewish supremacist state of Israel.
But more and more people are forging ahead with criticizing Israel and its racist policies anyway because their sense of moral consciousness speaks to them much more loudly than any Zionist thug ever could. For example, President Jimmy Carter and the Professors Walt and Mearsheimer have had to endure such smears even though their criticisms of Israel and its ardent supporters were rather milk toast.
ANYONE WHO DOESN’T THINK THAT THERE IS AN ISRAELI CONNECTION TO 9-11 IS NAÏVE says Wendy Campbell
In concluding this article, to come full circle, I would like to make the proclamation that anyone who DOESN’T think that Israel was involved with 9-11 is naïve, at best.
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(For the record, as per their website and its mission statement, the JVP does not advocate for the one-democratic state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict where all its residents would enjoy completely equal rights regardless of religion, ethnicity or race; nor does JVP support a boycott of Israel similar to the boycott of apartheid South Africa; nor does it make a stand for supporting the Palestinian refugees’ Right to Return to their ancestral homeland as equals. In other words, the JVP cleverly and deceptively avoids these issues with smoke and mirrors, making only ambiguous statements, all the while trying to place all the blame for Israel’s racist policies on the USA.
Just for one example of their deceptive ” blame game” while trying to maintain their innocence of playing any part in Israel’s sins : they bought shares of the Caterpillar company which manufactures the vehicles which Israelis use to demolish thousands of Palestinian homes, orchards and businesses every year, so that the JVP can go to Caterpiller’s investor meetings to complain about Caterpillar’s sales to Israel, when the JVP should really just put pressure on Israel and the Jewish settlers there to stop buying these Caterpillar vehicles and to stop using them to demolish Palestinian homes, orchards and businesses. The Caterpillar tractors don’t demolish Palestinian property on their own- they are operated by Zionists! In other words, the JVP are essentially themselves Zionists who do not want to disturb the status quo with regards to maintaining US economic support for Israel as the Jewish supremacist state that it is, nor does the JVP recognize or address the racist nature of Zionism, nor do they consistently directly criticize their brethren and the leaders in Israel.
The JVP also decry the use of the words which accurately describe Israeli policies and actions including apartheid, ethnic-cleansing and genocide. Simply put, the JVP wishes to preserve the Jewish supremacist nature of the state of Israel but place the blame on others, specifically the US, for the inevitable strife and injustices that are created as a result of the racist ideology of Zionism.)
Wendy Campbell is an American human rights activists whose documentaries include: “Truth: Exposing Israeli Apartheid”, “Rosa Remembers Palestine”, “Neturei Karta: Jews Against Zionism”, and “Syria: Land of Friendly People and Hidden Treasure”. Her many articles have been published on a wide variety of websites and newspapers (google: “Wendy Campbell Palestine Israel”) and also appear at her websites: www.marwenmedia.com and www.exposingisraeliapartheid.com She can be reached at info@marwenmedia.com
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one issue to the detriment of others
As much I disagree with your completely one-sided portrayal of Irael-Palestine and as much I think connecting Israel to 9-11 is absolutely ridiculous, I wanted to disagree with your support of Ron Paul.
Ron Paul is no democrat. His libertarianism goes against everything progressives stand for. He's right on Iraq, but he's wrong on health care, poverty, global poverty, US role in the world, education, racism and civil rights, the environment, etc.
Democarts voting for Paul is stupid, when there are great progressive candidates running for President in the Democratic column.
Something fishy about 911
I am in no way, manner, shape, or form agreeing with you about an Israeli connection to 911, but plenty of other people think there was something very very fishy about 911. This piece from OpEd News was on True Blue Liberal. com this A.M. (trueblueliberal.com is an excellent news clearing house with articles from all over, BTW)The sources of skepticism, are all former State Department employees with high credibility.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_080104_eight_u_s__state...
9/11: Lies, Cover-up?
ALL governments lie.
The 9/11 'investigation' failed to address something like 66% of what the 9/11 families wanted answered.
Anybody out there know a 9/11 widow or widower who could do a FORUM TOPIC on this issue?
The USA government has failed before when it comes to doing the right thing for we the people.
The USA government has refused for 40 years to allow an open thorough investigation about that day in infamy on June 8, 1967 when Israel brutally attacked the spy ship the USS LIBERTY, because LBJ didn't want to "embarrass an ally."
Where there is smoke there is always fire and there is enough reason to imagine that Israel did have intelligence on the 9/11 attack BEFORE it happened and that they choose NOT to share it with an 'ally.'
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory"
Producer of "30 Minutes with Vanunu"
i prefer bill richardson
i prefer bill richardson, but john edwards is my next choice.
Richardson as VP
Richardson's probability of being someone's VP are extremely high. Smart Presidential candidates look for a VP that can balance their ticket and deliver them states that they wouldn't otherwise put in their electoral college tally. All of the major candidates, Clinton, Edwards, and Obama, could carry every state that Kerry carried in 2004. They each need someone who could deliver more states. Ricardson is Hispanic and from the West, both new frontiers of voters for the Dems. Richardson could deliver New Mexico, no doubt. Nevada , Montana, and maybe Colorado could be tilted blue. Richardson could help in Florida too.
Ohio is cleaning up its voting system and will probably go Blue this election too. Look for VP Richardson in the future.
Richardson or Biden as Secretary of State
I like Richardson too, but I think with his diplomatic skills, I'd like to see either him or Biden as Secretary of State. Our foreign relations is a mess, and they seem to have the skills and experience to fix it.
As for Vice President, I think it should be one of the top 3 contenders. My only real beef against Obama and Edwards is that 1 term in the Senate isn't enough experience to be prepared for the Presidency, but being a Vice President would both give them the experience and position them for a future Presidential run. I always thought Edwards would be great as head of the Department of Housing and Urban Development or Department of Labor.
I think it's great to have good ideas, but it's also important to have the political skills to be able to implement those ideas. Clinton isn't as Progressive as some may want, but she is left of center. There was a good article two weeks ago in the New York Times Magazine on the contrast between Bill Clinton's centrism and the more Progressive line of thought. I personally like her toughness after weathering the various troubles of the 1990s, and I think she's learned in her Senate career how to get bills passed and build coalitions.
Clinton is a moderate and she shouldn't be ashamed of it. The Democratic Party, and the progressive movement in general, needs both the moderates and the more radical left. Most Americans are in the political center and we need the moderates to keep in touch with that center. It's up to the more progressive to move the political center to the left. And I think the political center is moving in that direction. An editorial in the Nation states:
"Indeed, thoughout this uncommonly long election cycle, beyond-the-Beltway progressives have driven their issues to the forefront of the Democratic agenda. The leading candidates share position that were considered political suicide as recently as 2004, and topics once shunted aside, like global warming, are of central importance. Withdrawal from Iraq, which John Kerry couldn't bring himself to call for, is embraced by all the current candidates, albeit on varying timtables... And it is not just these issues that have taken center stage but the core progressive values they represent: diplomacy over militarism, workers' rights, the responsibility of government to see that social needs are met."
Clear Logic Angelo
Your logic about one of the three top vote getters being VP is absolutely clear, Angelo. Unfortuneatley there is nothing logical about our Presidential election. The Electoral College system makes winning individual states more important than racking up the popular vote.Thus Barack or Hillary doesn't need Edwards to win New York or California and pump up the popular vote.After 51%, the popular vore no longer matters, They need someone to help them win the "purple" states, Virginia, Nevada, New Mexico, etc. That puts more Electoral College votes in their column.
Good logic also Jim
That's good logic also, Jim, about needing to create a strategy on the electoral college.
electoral college and primary/caucus amnesia
It is annoying how quickly we forget about the problems of our electoral system after elections. It seems like every time the primary season rolls around we all fuss about it. Then when the elections come around we complain about the electoral college system. But after that we forget about the whole thing and fix our complaints on the people who were elected through the problematic system. What is our collective problem?
David
as per the debates
If Americans picked who they would vote for using only performances in the debates, I think Bill Richardson would be walking away with this. He is, by and large, the most experienced, the most knowledgeable, and a genuinely nice guy.
And if I could pick only one information source for Americans to have, if we could have just one, the debates would be better than most.
Richardson completely dominated the debates again tonight. A standing up touchdown. Incredibly impressive.
Of course Americans use a multiplicity of sources to help in deciding who to vote for, and while I adore Bill Richardson completely, Barack Obama is my candidate of choice. I know that sounds wonky, if I think Richardson is the better candidate... but I don't. I think he's the most knowledgeable. Candidates need more than experience and knowledge, though.
CNN commentators were right about one thing tonight, though... all four of the candidates looked just dog tired. Edwards looked the most awake, and he didn't look really sharp either.
I miss Bill
Yes, I sure did miss Bill Richardson during the debate tonight. This debate, more than the others, seemed to show just how close, how alike the three remaining Democratic candidates really are. (Not forgetting Dennis, just that he's not a Dem, and he's nothing even close to the other three.)
Seems like they should have kicked a little into the Richardson war chest to keep him in the race, at least a little longer, just to keep the debates interesting. From here on out I think I'll mainly be watching just in case someone makes a big mistake.