Birth Pangs of a Third Awakening

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After Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's remarks at the U.N., during which he referred to President Bush as "the devil," and then held up and recommended Noam Chomsky's, "Hegemony or Survival: America's Quest for Global Dominance" he told reporters, "The people of the United States should read this ... instead of the watching Superman movies."

And they are, for as of last Thursday afternoon, "Hegemony or Survival," [published in 2003] leaped into the top 10 on Amazon, and it had been ranked 20,664 the day before.

Could this be the beginning of the birth pangs of a Third Awakening? Could Chavez's book plug be the spark to ignite we the people to begin the painful questioning and confronting of our leaders about the real reasons why some people in the world hate us?

Not long ago, Pat Robertson called for the assassination of Chavez, a most un-Christ like statement. Christ taught that God was already within every human heart and the commandment 'thou halt not kill' was always meant to be taken literally. The illogic and irony of fundamentalism that knits together disparate, obscure and vague biblical passages into literal predictions of future events, while ignoring and defying clear commands is painful for thinking Christians, and Robertson has never spoken for them.

According to a recent poll for the German Marshall Fund reported that 57% of Europeans regard American leadership in world affairs "undesirable" and not just because of Iraq. Europeans worry that Bush's foreign policy is too influenced by religion, and that "America is undergoing a religious revival...evangelical Protestantism and hard-line Catholicism are growing rapidly while 'cool' mainline versions of Christianity are declining...It is also true that Mr. Bush frequently uses religious rhetoric when talking of foreign affairs...he sees the 'war on terror' as a 'confrontation between good and evil' and remarked, "It seems to me there's a Third Awakening". [The Economist]

While Robertson does Christ no favors by claiming to be a follower, the people of America are also subjected to the likes of Lt-General William Boykin, deputy under-secretary of defense for intelligence, who toured the country telling Christian groups that radical Muslims hate America, "because we're a Christian nation and the enemy is a guy named Satan."

If we really were a Christian nation, there would be no manufacturing of WMD and the poor would be housed and fed. The Christian values that Christ taught is not the heresy Boykin preaches, for whom would Jesus bomb? No one.

We live in a nation with a media that allows the most limited and divisive of Christians a voice and little press is given to the likes of Senator Brownback who has led the fight against genocide in Darfur and Mrs. and Pastor Rick Warren, on their focusing on the AIDS epidemic in Africa.

The media has become a stronger influence in shaping American's views on foreign policy than the true tenants of religion in the 21st century. What we have in America today, is a lot of religion about Jesus, but NOT the religion Christ taught. What Christ taught that shocked his world was that God was already within, so one is to be just and merciful to all, and that would lead to working for peaceful resolutions, even to the point of returning violence with compassion.

This Christian welcomes the birth pangs of a Third Awakening, and another reformation. The pain begins when we look within at the evil that runs through our own hearts, just as the good does.

A third awakening would promote a theology of liberation that puts an end to the hijacking of people's faith by politicians with their theologies of empire building and global dominance and the cult of Christian empire builders that are indigenous to America. This cult embraces a modern theological and political movement of the most extreme ideological positions of Jewish Zionism.
"The Christian Zionist program provides a worldview where the Gospel is identified with the ideology of empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it laces an emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than living Christ's love and justice today...Christian Zionist doctrines [are] false teaching's that corrupt the biblical message of love, justice and reconciliation... the contemporary alliance of Christian Zionist leaders and organizations with elements in the governments of Israel and the United States that are presently imposing their unilateral preemptive borders and domination over Palestine, inevitably leads to unending cycles of violence that undermine the security of all peoples of the Middle East and the rest of the world... Rather than condemn the world to the doom of Armageddon we call upon everyone to liberate themselves from the ideologies of militarism and occupation. Instead, let [us] pursue the healing of the nations!"- Religious Leaders' Statement on Christian Zionism

In every classroom in America the World Map shows the United States in the very center. American Christianity also predisposes many to look at themselves as special, and that leads to thinking that our way of life must be maintained; even by war, and there is nothing Christian about that!

Americans have remained silent for too long and have allowed the hijacking of religion to be used for political gain. Politicians never have-and never can deliver peace and security, they must be led by the people who are the ones who must choose on a daily basis to be peaceful and neighborly.

After the Mohammad cartoon, and the Pope's remarks, "the fierce urgency of now" should compel all thinking Christians and church denominations to move beyond their man-created differences. The time is now to break the silence and speak boldly for the need of reconciliation between the families of Father Abraham in the fight against terrorism, which is also a spiritual battle. Anyone who can target and murder an innocent has allowed evil to rule them and only by people of good will pursuing justice and in support of nonviolence can we hope to change hearts and minds.

A Third Awakening will affirm that all people are created in the image of God and all are called to honor the dignity of every human being and to respect the others inalienable human right to freedom.

A Third Awakening would unite us in the rejection of all attempts to subvert and fragment the unity of the human family and to oppose every narrow world view and ideology that privilege one people at the expense of another.

No enduring peace, no security, and no reconciliation is even possible without the foundation of justice. Justice requires mercy and is always nonviolent.

"In the long run, there is no justice without FREEDOM. There can be no human rights without LIBERTY. All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know the United States will not ignore your oppression or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for liberty, we stand with you."-President George W. Bush, Second Inaugural Address

"It isn't enough to talk about peace. One must believe in it. It isn't enough to believe in it. One must work at it."-Eleanor Roosevelt

By standing on the side of justice, we open ourselves up to the hard work of peace, and working for peace is what Christ promised makes one a child of God.

Sources:
http://www.wearewideawake.org

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/showbiz/books/09/22/books.chomsky.ap/index.html

The Economist, September 16, 2006 "In the World of Good and Evil"

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Chavez: Our tendency to demonize or idolize leaders

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Hmm. Interesting discussion. Several points:

1) I'm interested in not only democratically-elected leaders, but leaders who govern democratically. I'm am therefore an anti-authoritarian, period. Some democratically elected leaders act in an authoritarian, non-representative way. Left, right, it makes no difference. To the extent Chavez or Bush attends the needs of his people, especially the "least" among them (poor, disenfranchised, weak), I encourage him; to the extent either tries to consolidate his control and make his country about himself, I call him out. Chavez's record on this has not been stellar, but far short of the "extremism" and thuggishness many accuse him of. Bush's record has been absymal, far worse than those covering for him on the Left and Right. I don't support either person from my standpoint (except as a spiritual brother praying for them to "get over themselves"-- see my essay on "Transpassion" in the blog section-- http://www.crossleft.org/?q=node/2177) because both put themselves essentially above the people they represent,and both act as if they are God. Proud and not humble they are. But this brings me to point #2.

2) Let's stop demonizing or idolizing people, making Chavez an evil dictator, when he is merely a flawed megalomaniac, or Bush the Second Coming, when he is merely a morally-challenged simpleton with "good" intentions but a woefully underprepared sense of justice and restraint. (Apparently in the new documentary, "Jesus Camp" there is a scene where young indoctrinated "Christians" are made to touch and pray to a life-sized cardboard figure of George Bush, idolatry at its worst, complete with brainwashing children).

3) Support virtuous actions even in non-virtuous people. I'm sick of this notion that if you support virtuous action in flawed people, you somehow condone their flaws and you are somehow now a "big fan" of their's. I support Chavez giving oil to the poor who cannot afford it, including the poor in our country. If it is a publicity stunt, and done for the "wrong" reasons: i.e. to embarass Bush and highlight his neglect of the poor, I prefer it not be done with that intent, but I am far more concerned about the poor receiving it, rather than not receiving it. I will support Christ-like actions no matter who is doing them. I will not ever support people "leveraging" virtuous actions as a way to obscure or excuse oppressive or non-virtuous acts. At the same time I will not support non-virtuous acts in the supposed "good guys." This is a recipe to support Saddam Hussein, Pinochet, the Taliban in their evil deeds (which the U.S. did) because they are somehow fighting a greater evil. Bull! The ends do not justify the means, and assassinating democratically-elected leaders like Salvador Allende, who might challenge American global economic dominance (for supposed "good" reasons in keeping with national "interest"), is simply an act of evil.

Spirit of action, effect of action, full recognition of people in their flaws, and the full unveiling of ourselves. This emergence is what I support. This is what I might call spiritual democracy, and I support it wholeheartedly and I challenge any repression of it. To the extent people support it in their actions, I suppport them. To the extent the same people do not, including myself, I call them out.

Zeus Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D.
Berkeley, CA

Re: Chavez: It's what you do that counts: Forget the rhetoric

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I wonder how many people have actually heard or read Chavez's speech. I've copied it along with a link at the end of this post. I think the reference to Bush as "the devil" was an intentionally provocative and deliberately juvenile jab at Bush's equally juvenile "axis of evil" "Islamofacist" broadsides. The fact is we have a morally challenged simpleton as the our country's leader, provable in so many instances we don't really need Chavez to pile on. But he has a right to, despite protests from our own representatives.

Bush has opened this can of worms by criticizing and dishonoring other leaders, most notably Chavez, in unusually dishonest ways, calling him an extremist and a tyrant. Hey, look who is talking. The Bush man who approves of torture, wiretapping, rendition, unprovoked wars, cronyism, gutting social programs for the most need ought not be calling anyone but himself to account. Even Nancy Pelosi called Chavez a "thug" in response to his remarks on Bush. Well Bush is far more than a thug. Tell the truth and you are fired. Tell a "loyal lie" and you are given the Medal of Freedom. Nothing succeeds like failure in this administration morally and operationally.

Ultimately it is not what you say, but what you do. Chavez has nationalized his oil and consolidated his control, but he was elected overwhelmingly in a fair election, neither of which (fair or overwhelming) happened here. What is the criticism? Why is he a thug and an extremist? Has he been torturing, throwing hundreds in political prisons? I haven't read any evidence of such and would like to see it if it exists. I'm not in favor of megalomania (Chavez does appear to be afflicted with this), but I look at what someone does and I look to see if what he says is true. Besides the "devil" remark, what Chavez says is largely true, and hugely unflattering to America and Bush, but not to me as a progressive Christian interested in social justice. It's a necessary gut-check.

If only Bush would "grandstand" as much as Chavez, giving oil to the poor. Hey, if it's a stunt, I'll take that stunt over another photo-op of Bush on a pile of rubble, whether in New York or New Orleans promising renewal. What renewal? All we have are the same piles of rubble and a corrupt appointed group of incompetents swallowing money and delivering nothing. Who is worse, Bush or Chavez? So what exactly is the problem with a man some deem as "extreme" for his socialist leanings, when we have a far more identifiable extremist in our own midst.

I am not in favor of a return to the "old Left" of arrogant, authoritarian Marxism. Almost nothing annoys me more than attempts to do so. But there is a New Left emerging, no matter how imperfect and poorly represented at times that has progressive Christian values at its core. "Do to the least of you as you would do to me". Have mercy, seek justice, and walk humbly (you listening to the last part, Chavez?) with your God. This is the third awakening, not Chomsky or Chavez (which the original poster never claimed to be harbingers of the third awakening, but rather the content of their ideas gaining traction). This is about an arising faith, not a person or persons, and it's time is now.

http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/newsroom/chavez_speech.html

Newsroom
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez Address to the United Nations General Assembly, New York September 20, 2006

Representatives of the governments of the world, good morning to all of you. First of all, I would like to invite you, very respectfully, to those who have not read this book, to read it.
Noam Chomsky, one of the most prestigious American and world intellectuals, Noam Chomsky, and this is one of his most recent books, Hegemony or Survival: The Imperialist Strategy of the United States [Holds up book.] It's an excellent book to help us understand what has been happening in the world throughout the 20th century, and what's happening now, and the greatest threat looming over our planet.
The hegemonic pretensions of the American empire are placing at risk the very survival of the human species. We continue to warn you about this danger and we appeal to the people of the United States and the world to halt this threat, which is like a sword hanging over our heads. I had considered reading from this book, [flips pages, which are numerous] but for the sake of time, I shall just leave it as a recommendation. It reads easily. It's a very good book. I'm sure, Madam, you are familiar with it.
The book is in English, in German, in Russian, in Arabic. (Applause.)
I think that the first people who should read this book are our brothers and sisters in the United States, because their threat is in their own house. The devil is right at home. The devil -- the devil, himself, is right in the house.
And the devil came here yesterday. (Laughter and applause.)
Yesterday, the devil came here. Right here. Right here. And it smells of sulfur still today, this table that I am now standing in front of.
Yesterday, ladies and gentlemen, from this rostrum, the president of the United States, the gentleman to whom I refer as the devil, came here, talking as if he owned the world. Truly. As the owner of the world.
I think we could call a psychiatrist to analyze yesterday's statement made by the president of the United States. As the spokesman of imperialism, he came to share his nostrums, to try to preserve the current pattern of domination, exploitation and pillage of the peoples of the world.
An Alfred Hitchcock movie could use it as a scenario. I would even propose a title: "The Devil's Recipe."
As Chomsky says here, clearly and in depth, the American empire is doing all it can to consolidate its system of domination. And we cannot allow them to do that. We cannot allow world dictatorship to be consolidated.
The world parent's statement -- cynical, hypocritical, full of this imperial hypocrisy from the need they have to control everything.
They say they want to impose a democratic model. But that's their democratic model. It's the false democracy of elites, and, I would say, a very original democracy that's imposed by weapons and bombs and firing weapons.
What a strange democracy. Aristotle might not recognize it or others who are at the root of democracy.
What type of democracy do you impose with marines and bombs?
The president of the United States, yesterday, said to us, right here, in this room, and I'm quoting, "Anywhere you look, you hear extremists telling you can escape from poverty and recover your dignity through violence, terror and martyrdom."
Wherever he looks, he sees extremists. And you, my brother -- he looks at your color, and he says, oh, there's an extremist. Evo Morales, the worthy president of Bolivia, looks like an extremist to him.
The imperialists see extremists everywhere. It's not that we are extremists. It's that the world is waking up. It's waking up all over. And people are standing up.
I have the feeling, dear world dictator, that you are going to live the rest of your days as a nightmare because the rest of us are standing up, all those who are rising up against American imperialism, who are shouting for equality, for respect, for the sovereignty of nations.
Yes, you can call us extremists, but we are rising up against the empire, against the model of domination.
The president then -- and this he said himself, he said: "I have come to speak directly to the populations in the Middle East, to tell them that my country wants peace."
That's true. If we walk in the streets of the Bronx, if we walk around New York, Washington, San Diego, in any city, San Antonio, San Francisco, and we ask individuals, the citizens of the United States, what does this country want? Does it want peace? They'll say yes.
But the government doesn't want peace. The government of the United States doesn't want peace. It wants to exploit its system of exploitation, of pillage, of hegemony through war.
It wants peace. But what's happening in Iraq? What happened in Lebanon? In Palestine? What's happening? What's happened over the last 100 years in Latin America and in the world? And now threatening Venezuela -- new threats against Venezuela, against Iran?
He spoke to the people of Lebanon. Many of you, he said, have seen how your homes and communities were caught in the crossfire. How cynical can you get? What a capacity to lie shamefacedly. The bombs in Beirut with millimetric precision?
This is crossfire? He's thinking of a western, when people would shoot from the hip and somebody would be caught in the crossfire.
This is imperialist, fascist, assassin, genocidal, the empire and Israel firing on the people of Palestine and Lebanon. That is what happened. And now we hear, "We're suffering because we see homes destroyed.'
The president of the United States came to talk to the peoples -- to the peoples of the world. He came to say -- I brought some documents with me, because this morning I was reading some statements, and I see that he talked to the people of Afghanistan, the people of Lebanon, the people of Iran. And he addressed all these peoples directly.
And you can wonder, just as the president of the United States addresses those peoples of the world, what would those peoples of the world tell him if they were given the floor? What would they have to say?
And I think I have some inkling of what the peoples of the south, the oppressed people think. They would say, "Yankee imperialist, go home." I think that is what those people would say if they were given the microphone and if they could speak with one voice to the American imperialists.
And that is why, Madam President, my colleagues, my friends, last year we came here to this same hall as we have been doing for the past eight years, and we said something that has now been confirmed -- fully, fully confirmed.
I don't think anybody in this room could defend the system. Let's accept -- let's be honest. The U.N. system, born after the Second World War, collapsed. It's worthless.
Oh, yes, it's good to bring us together once a year, see each other, make statements and prepare all kinds of long documents, and listen to good speeches, like Evo's yesterday, or President Lula's. Yes, it's good for that.
And there are a lot of speeches, and we've heard lots from the president of Sri Lanka, for instance, and the president of Chile.
But we, the assembly, have been turned into a merely deliberative organ. We have no power, no power to make any impact on the terrible situation in the world. And that is why Venezuela once again proposes, here, today, 20 September, that we re-establish the United Nations.
Last year, Madam, we made four modest proposals that we felt to be crucially important. We have to assume the responsibility our heads of state, our ambassadors, our representatives, and we have to discuss it.
The first is expansion, and Lula talked about this yesterday right here. The Security Council, both as it has permanent and non-permanent categories, (inaudible) developing countries and LDCs must be given access as new permanent members. That's step one.
Second, effective methods to address and resolve world conflicts, transparent decisions.
Point three, the immediate suppression -- and that is something everyone's calling for -- of the anti-democratic mechanism known as the veto, the veto on decisions of the Security Council.
Let me give you a recent example. The immoral veto of the United States allowed the Israelis, with impunity, to destroy Lebanon. Right in front of all of us as we stood there watching, a resolution in the council was prevented.
Fourthly, we have to strengthen, as we've always said, the role and the powers of the secretary general of the United Nations.
Yesterday, the secretary general practically gave us his speech of farewell. And he recognized that over the last 10 years, things have just gotten more complicated; hunger, poverty, violence, human rights violations have just worsened. That is the tremendous consequence of the collapse of the United Nations system and American hegemonistic pretensions.
Madam, Venezuela a few years ago decided to wage this battle within the United Nations by recognizing the United Nations, as members of it that we are, and lending it our voice, our thinking.
Our voice is an independent voice to represent the dignity and the search for peace and the reformulation of the international system; to denounce persecution and aggression of hegemonistic forces on the planet.
This is how Venezuela has presented itself. Bolivar's home has sought a nonpermanent seat on the Security Council.
Let's see. Well, there's been an open attack by the U.S. government, an immoral attack, to try and prevent Venezuela from being freely elected to a post in the Security Council.
The imperium is afraid of truth, is afraid of independent voices. It calls us extremists, but they are the extremists.
And I would like to thank all the countries that have kindly announced their support for Venezuela, even though the ballot is a secret one and there's no need to announce things.
But since the imperium has attacked, openly, they strengthened the convictions of many countries. And their support strengthens us.
Mercosur, as a bloc, has expressed its support, our brothers in Mercosur. Venezuela, with Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, is a full member of Mercosur.
And many other Latin American countries, CARICOM, Bolivia have expressed their support for Venezuela. The Arab League, the full Arab League has voiced its support. And I am immensely grateful to the Arab world, to our Arab brothers, our Caribbean brothers, the African Union. Almost all of Africa has expressed its support for Venezuela and countries such as Russia or China and many others.
I thank you all warmly on behalf of Venezuela, on behalf of our people, and on behalf of the truth, because Venezuela, with a seat on the Security Council, will be expressing not only Venezuela's thoughts, but it will also be the voice of all the peoples of the world, and we will defend dignity and truth.
Over and above all of this, Madam President, I think there are reasons to be optimistic. A poet would have said "helplessly optimistic," because over and above the wars and the bombs and the aggressive and the preventive war and the destruction of entire peoples, one can see that a new era is dawning.
As Sylvia Rodriguez (ph) says, the era is giving birth to a heart. There are alternative ways of thinking. There are young people who think differently. And this has already been seen within the space of a mere decade. It was shown that the end of history was a totally false assumption, and the same was shown about Pax Americana and the establishment of the capitalist neo-liberal world. It has been shown, this system, to generate mere poverty. Who believes in it now?
What we now have to do is define the future of the world. Dawn is breaking out all over. You can see it in Africa and Europe and Latin America and Oceanea. I want to emphasize that optimistic vision.
We have to strengthen ourselves, our will to do battle, our awareness. We have to build a new and better world.
Venezuela joins that struggle, and that's why we are threatened. The U.S. has already planned, financed and set in motion a coup in Venezuela, and it continues to support coup attempts in Venezuela and elsewhere.
President Michelle Bachelet reminded us just a moment ago of the horrendous assassination of the former foreign minister, Orlando Letelier.
And I would just add one thing: Those who perpetrated this crime are free. And that other event where an American citizen also died were American themselves. They were CIA killers, terrorists.
And we must recall in this room that in just a few days there will be another anniversary. Thirty years will have passed from this other horrendous terrorist attack on the Cuban plane, where 73 innocents died, a Cubana de Aviacion airliner.
And where is the biggest terrorist of this continent who took the responsibility for blowing up the plane? He spent a few years in jail in Venezuela. Thanks to CIA and then government officials, he was allowed to escape, and he lives here in this country, protected by the government.
And he was convicted. He has confessed to his crime. But the U.S. government has double standards. It protects terrorism when it wants to.
And this is to say that Venezuela is fully committed to combating terrorism and violence. And we are one of the people who are fighting for peace.
Luis Posada Carriles is the name of that terrorist who is protected here. And other tremendously corrupt people who escaped from Venezuela are also living here under protection: a group that bombed various embassies, that assassinated people during the coup. They kidnapped me and they were going to kill me, but I think God reached down and our people came out into the streets and the army was too, and so I'm here today.
But these people who led that coup are here today in this country protected by the American government. And I accuse the American government of protecting terrorists and of having a completely cynical discourse.
We mentioned Cuba. Yes, we were just there a few days ago. We just came from there happily.
And there you see another era born. The Summit of the 15, the Summit of the Nonaligned, adopted a historic resolution. This is the outcome document. Don't worry, I'm not going to read it.
But you have a whole set of resolutions here that were adopted after open debate in a transparent matter -- more than 50 heads of state. Havana was the capital of the south for a few weeks, and we have now launched, once again, the group of the nonaligned with new momentum.
And if there is anything I could ask all of you here, my companions, my brothers and sisters, it is to please lend your good will to lend momentum to the Nonaligned Movement for the birth of the new era, to prevent hegemony and prevent further advances of imperialism.
And as you know, Fidel Castro is the president of the nonaligned for the next three years, and we can trust him to lead the charge very efficiently.
Unfortunately they thought, "Oh, Fidel was going to die." But they're going to be disappointed because he didn't. And he's not only alive, he's back in his green fatigues, and he's now presiding the nonaligned.
So, my dear colleagues, Madam President, a new, strong movement has been born, a movement of the south. We are men and women of the south.
With this document, with these ideas, with these criticisms, I'm now closing my file. I'm taking the book with me. And, don't forget, I'm recommending it very warmly and very humbly to all of you.
We want ideas to save our planet, to save the planet from the imperialist threat. And hopefully in this very century, in not too long a time, we will see this, we will see this new era, and for our children and our grandchildren a world of peace based on the fundamental principles of the United Nations, but a renewed United Nations.
And maybe we have to change location. Maybe we have to put the United Nations somewhere else; maybe a city of the south. We've proposed Venezuela.
You know that my personal doctor had to stay in the plane. The chief of security had to be left in a locked plane. Neither of these gentlemen was allowed to arrive and attend the U.N. meeting. This is another abuse and another abuse of power on the part of the Devil. It smells of sulfur here, but God is with us and I embrace you all.
May God bless us all. Good day to you.

Zeus Yiamouyiannis, Ph.D.
Berkeley, CA

Reply to My Good Friend Zeus on Chavez

To my good friend Zeus, here is why I think it is good that we progressives and Liberals do not sing the praises of Hugo Chavez.

Citing the BBC, “In February 1992, he led an attempt to overthrow the government of President Carlos Andres Perez amid growing anger at economic austerity measures.

One more reason not to support Chavez

Stephen Rockwell's picture

My professor at MIT, Roberto Rigabon and his partner at Harvard, Ricardo Hausmann were able to essentially prove through regession analysis that Chavez cheated if not stole the last election. Despite a blessing from the Carter Center(what's up with that?) and the Organization of American States, the credibility of the secretive vote tallying process was highly questionable. Its kinda like the Diebold Company's machines in Ohio and elsewhere really. If there are international challengers to the Bush adminstration, that's a good thing, but let's make sure they are committed to democracy. At the same time, let's renew our own commitment to fair and uncompromised elections, which we haven't had in a few years.

Chavez? I Hardly Think So.

I write this reply as a Liberal and as someone who has no use for tyrants, Left or Right.

Hugo Chavez is far from being the best example as the clarion caller of "A Third Awakening." The guy is an egotistical strongman. After all, how much of a "Christian" example is he if he was thinking about selling F-16s to a theocratic state such as Iran? Obviously, not much. And isn't he the same fellow who embraces Fidel Castro, the man who tolerates no dissent in Cuba; the man who executed many of his fellow 1959 revolutionaries "al pared?" Chavez, just like Castro as well as President Bush has been corrupted by power, but only on a grander scale. Furthermore, Chavez's speech at the UN was one of the most juvenile statements ever made by a leader of a sovereign state.

Our task as Progressive Christians is to be witnesses to corruption wherever it exists and not to embrace anyone and everyone Left of center. Instead we must first learn how to reach out to those in the mainstream with our progressive, not radical ideas for change. Always playing to the fringe will get us nowhere fast. If America is transformed into a truer example of lawfulness through Liberal, not radical values, then people in sufference will see us as the path to justice instead of as being seen as hegmonic. But first there is important work to be done and the self-discipline and mental toughness that a more consistent Liberalism provides is part and parcel of that effort.

And instead of Chomsky, I strongly suggest Gary Dorrien’s Imperial Designs.

Chavez, the Trumpeter of a Third Awakening? I Hardly Think So.

I write this reply as a Liberal and as someone who has no use for tyrants, Left or Right.

Hugo Chavez is not exactly the right guy to hold up as the voice of "A Third Awakening." The guy is an egotistical strongman. After all how much of a "Christian" example is he if he was thinking about selling F-16s to a theocratic state such as Iran? Obviously, not much. And isn't he the same fellow who embraces Fidel Castro, the man who tolerates no dissent in Cuba; the man who executed many of his fellow 1959 revolutionaries "al pared?" Chavez, just like Bush has been corrupted by power, but only on a grander scale.

Our task as Progressive Christians is to be witnesses to corruption wherever it exists and not to embrace anyone and everyone Left of center. Instead we must learn how to reach out to those the mainstream and how to reach them with our progressive, not radical ideas for change.

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