Arguing the Basics
This article, in its original version, was first posted at Talk to Action.
Bruce Wilson hit a home run this past week. In his Talk to Action piece on Jim Wallis vs. the Enlightenment, he identified a Counter-Enlightenment worldview that is integral to much of what we are up against on a number of fronts. It is from Wilson's underlying premise we should be making our argument for the separation of church and state.
Bruce's post made an extremely important point: that at least in his book God's Politics, Jim Wallis seems to share with Jerry Falwell a desire to use religious faith as a means of imposing upon us a form of spiritual immaturity that brings as its logical result, dependence. Anti-Liberalism, whether from the Left or Right maintains this paternalistic desire to tell us what constitutes the truth on faith issues. It is a specific faction's desire to impose the formula for salvation upon all. And in a fit of providing misinformation, even an economic liberal such as Wallis mistakenly interprets Enlightenment principles as hostilely atheistic.
This does not square with Wallis's previously stated opposition to a theocratic nation. Perhaps Wallis did not think his thoughts through to their logical conclusion. Or perhaps it is an unspoken but unjustified fear that by following the Enlightenment principle of religious tolerance to its natural end that faith itself will eventually be discarded.
Both these possibilities seem present when Wallis states at page 66 of his book, "The best response to bad religion is better religion, not secularism," it sounds as if he did not ask himself the obvious question of whose religion would be the antidote. Do we answer fundamentalism with Catholicism, with Lutheranism or even a form of Judaism?
If this were indeed the case, Wallis would not be the only liberal guilty of not making required connections of reason. His inconsistencies clearly suggest that all of us who embrace liberal democracy must revisit the historical considerations that first moved the great Enlightenment thinkers to formulate a society that keeps church and state separate. Beyond that, we must also be able to explain to those who are either undecided or oppose church-state separation why neutrality actually strengthens the freedom of conscience.
In order for us to more successfully advocate a Liberal philosophy, we need to reread and consider sixteenth and seventeenth century European history. Only then will we remember that the concept of church-state separation arose out of the often violent intolerances different Christian denominations visited upon each other; an often overlooked aspect of this important discussion.
At the outset of the Twenty-first century, we are far removed from these experiences. It is time for us to revisit religious conflicts such as The Thirty Years War, as well of battles between Huguenots and Catholics in France. And this is even before we address the abhorrent anti-Semitism that abounded throughout the continent. And for those who may still yet argue that such religious strife cannot happen today, we must then direct their attention to the recent past in Northern Ireland. With these examples in mind Wallis may reconsider just how far religious influence should control public policy.
Within such past context we will better understand why liberal democracies have continually moved toward separating issues of faith from issues that can be empirically known. Being able to frame the separation of church and state within historical experience as well as philosophical remedy will give our arguments greater traction. We must relearn and then reargue the basics. Then maybe folks such as Wallis will more readily see within this Enlightenment principle is the secular embodiment of the Golden Rule.
Beyond European justifications, the need for church-state separation also needs to be discussed morre often from the very American perspective of James Madison who described in Federalist No.10 how certain religious factions could impose their will contrary to the aggregate will of the majority. Another fine example is Thomas Jefferson who passionately fought the freedom of conscience. Their knowledge is the foundational philosophy our system of government. As such, it serves as the strongest argument for explaining both the parameters and necessity of church-state separation.
Yes, certain Enlightenment figures such as Diderot or Spinoza severely questioned religion as a basis of true knowledge, but others such as Sir Isaac Newton, John Locke and Immanuel Kant all believed in God. And although Locke did not extend his concept of religious tolerance towards atheists and Catholics, without intending to do so, he took one of the first bold steps in the direction of its universal application; the framers of the U.S. constitution took it the rest of the way.
As mentioned above, many anti-Enlightenment advocates get confused over the concepts of certitude and tolerance. The influential eighteenth century philosopher Immanuel Kant stated that no one could know with exact certitude if God exists. Conversely, he also argued that no one could know with exact certitude that God does not exist. Such subject matter falls into the realm of belief, not empirical knowledge. And it is because Enlightenment principles require privatizing the area of belief many of its opponents mistake this for religious hostility when clearly it is not. The thrust of Enlightenment thought does not discourage belief in God, just that its regulation is an individual matter--as distinct from what we think of now as public affairs.
Anti-Enlightenment believers also fail to see is that secular liberal democracy espouses the very same morality as the Judeo-Christian ethic of the Golden Rule: the prohibition against self-exemption. As Stephen Holmes points out, the core value of Liberalism is not nihilism at all, but adherence to the ideal that both the richest and poorest of citizens must be subject to the same laws. The evolution of Enlightenment thought has brought us to a point where each individual is politically equal. In squaring his contradictory statements on church-state influence Jim Wallis and those of similar thought will hopefully understand how this Enlightenment-derived belief is the moral equivalent of Christianity's core value of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Both the Golden Rule and the Enlightenment prohibition against self-exemption wisely recognize that for the sake of domestic tranquility that while we legislate the will of the majority, we simultaneously do not trample upon the rights of minorities.
Wallis is dead wrong at pages 68-70 of God's Politics when he says of those of us who cherish a secular society :
"...believe that the separation of church and state ought to mean the separation of faith from public life...
The secular fundamentalists tell us that religion should be restricted to one's church and family. No talk of faith, they seem to be saying, ought to be allowed to seep into the public arena for fear of violating the First Amendment or alienating the nonreligious."
The Enlightenment taught that the particulars of each individual's faith belong in the private sphere. But it seems that Wallis incorrectly translates that to mean that religious influences are not welcome in shaping a common morality. Instead, we draw the line at the point where a subjective means to salvation is codified for all to follow--especially when it goes against the aggregate will of the people. Such separation ensures that faith will freely flourish without any arbitrary authority being able to curtail an individual's freedom of conscience. But we will only win this argument when we explain the historical experiences that originally led us to separate church and state.
As Kant told us,"sapere aude": dare to know.
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to each his own
Frank,
To use your numbers:
1) For the strictly secularist left, I can only name personal acquaintances. Stephen made reference a while ago about being blasted on the DailyKos for mentioning faith. That may not rise to the level of “significant
Further Reply to Cam
Again, I'll take your comments, one by one:
1) For the strictly secularist left, I can only name personal acquaintances. Stephen made reference a while ago about being blasted on the DailyKos for mentioning faith. That may not rise to the level of “significant
unfortunate parameters
Frank,
I agree with pretty much everything you say. There are just some parameters we have to deal with. Unfortunately, there is a significant part of the left that wants faith related discussion eliminated only because it's faith related. That strips our society of some pretty good sources of wisdom. I think that may be Wallis' point.
I can see some value to Enlightenment-based law but I don't think Enlightenment-based law will sell well with conservatives. Matthew can sell with conservatives. (Another parameter is that those on the right have very short attention spans. The message needs to be quick and simple.)
A key question is whether the goal of the moment is to take on the right or to set US policy. If it's taking on the right, we need to bring on the full force of the gospels. To set US policy we should be more generic.
As for the Jews and Muslims, few things in life would please me more than to see moderate Jews and Muslims invoking scripture to take on their extremist elements.
Reply to Cam
Au contraire...
Let me address your questions and comments one by one:
1) "...there is a significant part of the left that wants faith related discussion eliminated only because it's faith related."
Okay, who? Wallis never gives names. And just rattling off "the ACLU" or "Bill Maher" is not very convincing. More importantly, name some liberals. I can't think of one Democratic congressman who proposes faith related discussions being eliminated from the public square. Maybe, Bernie Sanders. But then again, he a socialist, not a liberal nor a Democrat. Even Ted Kennedy supports the public display of nativity scenes. Do you have polling stats to establish just how "significant" that number is?
You see, that's why Wallis's (as well as that of the Right's "cultural warriors) arguments fall apart.
"The Left" is a very general term. Being on the left does not automatically make one a liberal. One can also be a Green, a socialist or a communist. Likewise, being on the Right doesn't make one an extremist. There is a great deal of difference between a mainstream, libertarian conservative than either a neoconservative or a monachist or a fascist.
And that takes us to your next comment...
2) "...but I don't think Enlightenment-based law will sell well with conservatives."
You're right when you're talking about the true believers of the base. Enlightenment principles will be ignored by theocrats, Dominionists and most neocons, but I'm not trying to reach them. Instead, I want to reach libetarians and other more centrist conservatives. The hardliners and true believers will start to pay attentention when the begin to lose the vital center. Then they will be forced to either come clean or modify their message.
And they can be reached. Remember: Edmund Burke-style conservatives share with liberals an Enlightenment heritage. A lot o what we say will resonate with them if we frame our arguements in terms of Madison, Jefferson and Hamilton--as well as others.
As imperfect as they were, I still believe that the Founders were geniuses. So do most Americans.
3) "...we need to bring on the full force of the gospels.
Yes, but not as the primary reason, but to establish a consensus between the religious and the secular. That expands instead of marginalizing support. Remember: folks are likely to join a cause where everyone is hopping on the bandwagon. And by the way, when we get down to specifics, do we use a Catholic, King James or Greek Orthodox version of the Gospels?
Moderate Muslims and Secular Jews who do Micah 6:8
I have written the memoirs of a Moderate Peace and Justice Muslim and have been blogging the entire book:
KEEP HOPE ALIVE
beginning on Feb 7th's WAWA BLOG:
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
IT IS FREE; JUST LIKE GRACE!
I have written about secular Jews in Israel who are doing the faith in my just released second book:
"Memoirs of a Nice Irish-American Girl's Life in Occupied Territory"
It too, is on the blog;
Just like GRACE
e
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007
Taking on the 'right'
Time to WAKE UP and understand that the fastest growing cult in America is the politically driven and spiritually impoverished cult of Christian Zionism, and the neo-con's have pandered to them to get elected.
The "Left Behind" series is a poor excuse for literature and putrid theology, and its tentacles reached into the White House beginning with the Regan Administration.
You need to attack the root, if you really want to change politics/policies in the USA.
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007
it depends...
I haven't read Wallis' book but I can see some of his points. There are situations where "The best response to bad religion is better religion, not secularism." If a conservative Christian claims the biggest threat to society is homosexuality, it's better for a liberal Christian to respond that a bigger threat is poverty - which is completely consistent with the gospels. Only responding that the religion should stay out of politics just makes the conservative think that you're aligned with the Anti-Christ. (And then the Democrats get creamed at the ballot box.)
I believe it's also possible to support a separation of church and state while arguing for some place for the faithful in the political process, just as environmentalists and ironworkers should also have a place.
During the Holocaust, the Pope (Pious?) kept pretty quiet. But after the Solidarity strikes in Gdansk, Pope John Paul II told the Soviets that he'd throw down his robe and fight them himself if they intervened militarily. The pure religion-out-of-politics crowd seems to imply that Pious was right and John Paul II was wrong.
Does Wallis advocate that a "subjective means to salvation is codified for all to follow" and for an "arbritrary authority being able to curtail and individual's freedom of conscience"?
I did read "God's Politics"
And what hit me was:
1. A LOT of repetition
2. The message of JC to stand up for the poor and oppressed has been negated by neo-con politicians who have hijacked JC to get elected.
What I took from Wallis's book is that it is up to us- committed and deeply grounded spiritual Christians to LEAD THE WAY;
Wallis says we are to be wind changers
BUT,
I cannot help but keep coming back to the need to be led by The Spirit-which always leads us on, NEVER backwards-
We are NOT to be led by dogma, doctrine, creeds, etc.
The Way is The Way of HOLY WISDOM:
"Does not Wisdom call out? Does not understanding raise HER voice?...WISDOM is more precious than rubies and nothing you desire can compare with her...I love those who love me and those who seek me find me...I walk in THE WAY of righteousness, along the paths of JUSTICE."- Proverbs 8: 1, 9, 11, 17, 20
I intuit it is a Greater Awakening that is upon us,
For the pendulum always swings,
The day of the 'right' is already over,
BUT,
Unless we progressives can offer a new vision of JC-
HOLY WISDOM and JUSTICE
With arms open wide for ALL of humanity;
With LOVE for our sick and dysfunctional world
a world where wrong has become right;
peace is war and
the poor and oppressed are stereotyped as "terrorists"
or in other ways deemed 'unworthy'
of our attention and intentions to do good without a thought of reward-
We will miss this hallowed moment in time
To Bring in The Kingdom of God,
or as Wallis I believe understands it: to be wind changers.
JC said The Kingdom is at hand and The Kingdom is within
JC is The Prince of Peace
Does anyone else out there believe that
We are to BRING in the INNER Kingdom of God
Into this reality?
I am talking about pursuing the day when the lion will lie down with The Lamb and men will make war no more
Because all will have WOKEN UP to see The Divine is already everywhere
And within everyone.
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007
Fine and Dandy, But...
...where does that leave Muslims, Jews, Bahais, agnostics, athiests; all of whom have their own examples of ethiical thinking to contribute to our common morality?
I am ecstatic that you asked
Even St. Paul- who never hesitated in speaking out,
WARNED the followers of THE WAY:
"Who am I to judge the non-believer? It is none of my business! God is the judge of all...But, when it comes to the believer: PROVOKE one another to good works."
Let us remember that what attracted devout Jews and pagans to The WAY; which was renamed Christianity three decades after Christ walked the earth;
Was The LOVE the sisters and brothers had for one another and their open arms for all comers
It was NOT the dogma, doctrine, creeds, etc. that attracted new believers;
It was LOVE.
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007
Eileen, That Sounds Nice But...
...where's the plan? In other words, by what practical means is love used? How do you translate the strategy of love when dealing with a struggling economy or in protecting Americans from al-Qaeda terrorists?
THE PLAN
Why not give me a chance-
Read the WAWA BLOG beginning Feb 7th and then lets get our heads together,
for ONLY in Solidarity do "we have it in our power to begin the world again."-Tom Paine
And TP would probably roll over in his grave if he knew the POWER
Is the power of the Holy Spirit.
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007
With All Due Respect, Eileen...
Those are just nice slogans and pronouncements. Where is the stategy? Where are the tactics? Wishing and believing in a concept does not by itself transform the concept into reality.
The STRATEGY
Dear NYGaribaldi,
The strategy is the OLIVE BRANCH:
All Three Abrahamic Branches share the story of Noah-
THE OLIVE BRANCH when attached to an actual tree is THE WAY; The Strategy:
Fpr 25 olive trees can support the typical Palestinian family-and this will change hearts and minds when these trees are donated by the USA!
Book Reviewer from http://midwestbookreview.com :
"At first I thought this had something to do with the famous line of Jessie Jackson. I'm delighted to say it is much much more. The author shows that there are many people from all over the world who are moving in the right direction to establish peace in the Middle East. The organization Olive Trees Foundation for Peace/OTFFP is Arabs, Jews, and Christians who have formed a non profit non political group who have one goal; to have Israelis and Palestinians live side by side in peace. These are people from all walks of life who are committed to changing the area into a peaceful region. Social movements like this grow until finally government jumps on-board. This is so counter to the policies of the Bush administration. As dialogue continues to grow on this subject government will be forced to rethink its approach to the region. This is a book that should be read by anyone does not believe there can be peace in the Middle East. It should also be included in schools and on the college level to help focus on how the area can move toward peace."-Gary Roen
PS- Gary is a Jew!
KEEP HOPE ALIVE
ISBN 1-4259-5355-7
I am GIVING "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" FREE on the WAWA BLog:
The Olive Trees Foundation for Peace/OTFFP www.olivetreesfoundation.org
Has now provided the funds for over 31,800 olive trees of peace in Israel Palestine.
The 2006-2007 planting season continues through March and the OTFFP is working in tandem this year with the YWCA/YMCA Joint Advocacy Initiatives KEEP HOPE ALIVE campaign
http://www.ej-ymca.org/site
All I am saying is give peace a chance and The Way is via the Olive Branch
100% of all royalties for "Keep Hope Alive" have been donated to the 501 3-c Olive Trees Foundation for Peace
Won't YOU give me a chance and read "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" ???
IT IS FREE: LIKE GRACE!
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007
Eh, Eileen...
Wouldn't you say that is more of a token gesture than a well coordinated strategy?
MLK Jr leading a bus boycott, Bonhoffer plotting to kill Hitler and Monsignor Ryan putting forth The Bishops' Plan for Social Reconstruction were all plans and strategies.
Time to Break Silence
I am a retired Minister who has been silently and prayerfully following the conversations on this site for nearly three months.
I was led here by my daughter who gave me a copy of Eileen Fleming's imaginative, passionate and thought provoking historical novel "Keep Hope Alive" in December, when it was the book of the month on Crossleft.
This current conversation "making our argument for the separation of church and state" is happening on two levels and thus, is missing the point that Fleming has persistently raised here and in her prolific and passionate writings.
I behoove you all to prayerfully consider that, it will not be by bashing your sisters and brothers-be they Wallis or Fleming-but by opening your hearts and minds to the ethics and philosophy of Jesus who aligned himself with the poor, oppressed, outcast, that will enlighten and bring to fruition a nation where faith does not seek to control nor dominate; but leads the way we should go.
The misuse of religion to control, dominate, condemmn is what has given religion a bad name.
Religion should enable people to be ethical -do the right things- so as to equipt people to go out into the world and do the right thing, for it is the right thing to do. Being an ethical Christian means you are to love-not condemn-any of God's children, for God created all in his image, thus every human is a child of God.
As the author of this post wrote:
"But we will only win this argument when we explain the historical experiences that originally led us to separate church and state."
In Fleming's book and on her site, she has done -and is doing-an admirable job on enlightening her readers on this very topic.
The author of this post also wrote: "As Kant told us,"sapere aude": DARE TO KNOW" [empahsis mine] And so I dare you to give Fleming the chance she has requested of you-read "Keep HOPE Alive" for I am confident you will be enlightened.
I also add that only in building up The Body of Christ-not tearing each other down, will you ever "win" anything worthy-but also warn you, that winning should not be the goal- the goal should be: being ethical: doing the right thing, for it is the right thing to do.
AMEN.
gerald
NOT at all
The Olive Trees Foundation for Peace's RECONCILIATION effort is VERY well coordinated!
We have "boots on the ground" in Israel Palestine:
Jews, Christians and Muslims who have been working together in PEACE for 4 years now.
25 olive trees will sustain and feed the average size Palestinian family that lives in the OPEN AIR PRISONS of Gaza and the West Bank!
I remind YOU of The Words of JC:
"When did YOU see me hungry and give me something to eat?"
"Whatever YOU do or DO NOT do for the least -YOU do it or NOT do it"
For JC!
God have mercy on YOU, for "There are none so blind as he who will NOT see"
St. Augustine wrote that HOPE has two children:
The first is ANGER at the way things are
+
The second is COURAGE to DO SOMETHING about it!
What is your problem? Why have YOU no HOPE?
Could it be that YOU do not have eyes to see, nor ears to hear your sisters and brothers cry out for PEACE, JUSTICE and RECONCILIATION in the land where JC PROMISED:
THE PEACEMAKERS ARE THE CHILDREN OF GOD!
NOT the cynics, nay-sayers and doubters, brother!
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007
The Issue With Wallis
What I was trying to do was expand upon Bruce Wilson's observations. When I read through God's Politics I was struck by some of the very same things that registered with Bruce. Some of what Wallis writes in the book contradicts some of his other writings. I do not think that he is lying, but I do believe that he has some inner thoughts that have yet to be reconciled with his stated opposition to a Christian theocracy; those have to be addressed.
Subjective faith beliefs should not be the primary reason for public policy. Instead, Enlightenment-based law should be based upon political equality and a prohibition against self-exemption. Faith's role in morality is more effective in establishing a consensus for a publically shared morality and serves to buttress what we seek from government.
Here is what I mean: Slavery is immoral from a liberally democratic point of view because it denies politically equality (i.e, citizenship) to a certain class of folks on a basis of race. From an economically liberal point of view it violates a sense of distributive justive--the slave failing to receive the part of the generated profit for which he contriibuted via his efforts and special skills (this is a good example of where both secular and Catholic economic teachings converge). The religious component of the abolitionists provided additional moral support for ending this horrible institution. In other words, faith while not being the sole deciding issue was the thumb on the scale.
Huh?
This is very different from "spiritual awkenings." Instead this is a proposal for explaining to mainstream America why the separation of church and state is not an anti-religious (or anti-spiritual) concept. I also want folks to understand that making America "a Christian nation" brings on a whole set of problems that will adversely affect both domestic tranquility and the public good.
A Greater Awakening
Might you agree that we have PLENTY of religion already?
And by RELIGION I mean: rules, doctrine, dogma, tenets, teachings, principles, belief systems, creeds
BUT an enormous lack of Spirituality-
And by Spirituality I mean the very essence of what connects us to The Transcendent
Omnipresent Divine:
The Ultimate Mystery,
That indwells ourselves, all others and Creation,
And is beyond our comprehension at the same time?
Seems to me what people are hungering and thirsting for isn't "better religion" as Wallis thinks,
What people are seeking is
A Greater Awakening
A deep and intimate
CONNECTION to The Divine.
What do you think?
Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/
Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007