Colmes is a Fop!

Please don't tell us that Alan B. Colmes "rocks." He is one of those Fox fop liberals who are chosen because they are easy Right-wing fodder. If you want liberals that truly rock, read Joe Conason, Marie Cocco, Stephen Holmes, Richard Sheer or Paul Krugman: they are the real McCoy.

And there is a damn good reason why some pundits who are thought of as "liberals" really aren't--or are very counter-productive. To see what I mean just click here as well as here.

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My memory of Colmes

was him falling asleep during Obama's speech at Wallis's conference. He's not very helpful to the liberal cause...he buys into most of Fox's conservative frames and is set up to give the appearance of fair and balanced.

Yup.

Right on, Brother Stephen. He is merely a prop for Sean Hannity, designed to give the illusion of balance. What's more, his book on liberalism was so stock and cliche, it added nothing to the discourse.

Okay, How About This...

...I'll go just as deep as Gandhi.

Reinhold Niebuhr observed towards the end of the Second World War, “The preservation of a democratic civilization requires the wisdom of the serpent and the harmlessness of the dove. The children of light must be armed with the wisdom of the children of darkness but remain free from their malice. They must know the power of self-interest in human society without giving it moral justification. They must have this wisdom in order that they may beguile, deflect, harness and restrain self-interest, individual and collective, for the sake of the community.

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Now we are getting somewhere!!!

I like-and appreciate all that you wrote, and I'll go even deeper:

NYGaribaldi said:

“The preservation of a democratic civilization requires the wisdom of the serpent and the harmlessness of the dove. The children of light must be armed with the wisdom of the children of darkness but remain free from their malice."

FREE OF MALICE is exactly what I have been promoting on this site!

I know you are no fan of the secular Jewish Road Warrior of the 1960's, but I LOVE Abbie Hoffman for quoting Christ to the children of the '60's who had planned on spending the night in a city park after their long day of 'lobbying' at the 1968 Democratic Convention.

Mayor Daly sent word to Abbie that the multitudes were not welcome in his park and the cops were on the way in.

Before the Chicago mob with badges clobbered the heads of the children of the '60's in, Abbie stood at a microphone and said:

"I send you out like little lambs into a wolves den. Remain as harmless as doves and cunning as snakes."

If the doves had consulted Webster's, they first would have had a laugh at the two words cunning is sandwiched between.

Then they would have learned that cunning means one must be skillful, clever, sly, crafty, and do things with skill and ingenuity. To be cunning is to be attractive; cute and cleverly proficient.

Nothing has changed much since 1968, for power continues to resort to violence and nonviolent resistance-and challenging the conventional 'wisdom' requires cunning.

NYGaribaldi continued:

"They must know the power of self-interest in human society without giving it moral justification. They must have this WISDOM in order that they may beguile, deflect, harness and restrain self-interest, individual and collective, for the sake of the community.

I'm Sorry Eileen, But...

...I honestly believe that your approach may appeal to a small slice of the liberal base, but not beond that. Abbie Hoffman also had a rather manipulative side to him that the average American will never identify with. Beyond that, he is not the person to cite if you want to reach what Arthur M. Schelsinger, Jr. called "the vital center." I want to reach the family of four making 40K a year living somewhere in the Midwest. That is how elections are won and progressive policies emacted into law.

We have to build a movement that can go toe-to-toe with Focus on the Family, the EPPC and the IRD; 1960s-style exhortations and flowery quotes just won't cut--and neither will fools such as Alan B. Colmes.

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I offer YOU pearls NYGaribaldi

And YOU continue to miss my point!

Why do YOU harp on one isolated mention of Abbie Hoffman, and do not have eyes to see nor ears to hear nor a heart that opens to a NEW REVELATION???

The truth is WAWA is reaching a BROAD faith based and secular audience, University students and the world with the GOOD NEWS that JC has his arms open wide for ALL:

WAWA Usage stats for February 2007:

Top 30 of 56 Total Countries

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Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007

Let Me Know When...

...you get your first candidate elected to public office or get a piece of significant legislation enacted into law.

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LOL!!!

I thrive on challenges brother and

"Never doubt that a few, thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world: Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."- Margaret Mead

"If enough Christians followed the gospel, they could bring any state to its knees." - Father Philip Francis Berrigan

"You can stand me up at the gates of hell, but I won't back down." Tom Petty

Stay awake brother, for the "times they are a changin'"-Bob Dylan

All I need is the blessed opportunity to sit down face to face-or as you wrote "toe to toe" and debate the Christian right,

who have NOT yet met

The right Christians!

I am ready to roll

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rock the house down...

Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007

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With all due respect

I do NOT speak for lefty levi, but i intuited his point about not BASHING anyone who is articulating a broader message than the right wing discourse-to mean be grateful for the little things!

And instead of looking to any of these same old same old pundits you have listed,

why not look within at ourselves to "be the change we want to see in the world"-Gandhi

it is time for a NEW vision; a NEW voice a NEW direction-

and that means new blood, not the same old same old-who ALL get PAID!

its time for a revolution brother,

there are new voices leading THE WAY-and we are giving it away FREE:

Just like GRACE

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Eileen Fleming,
Reporter and Editor of
http://www.wearewideawake.org/

Author "KEEP HOPE ALIVE" and "Memoirs of a Nice Irish American 'Girl's' Life in Occupied Territory" to be released Feb. 2007