Bill Maher: Enabler of the Religious Right
Originally posted at Talk to Action.
Every Friday night on his HBO series Real Time With Bill Maher Bill Maher helps out the very folks he abhors - the Religious Right and movement conservatism. He does it by mocking people of faith whom he generically paints as delusional.
On the April 8, 2005 edition of Real Time, Maher had Mario Cuomo as a video guest. He asked the former New York governor how he reconciled his religious beliefs with his intelligence:
MAHER: If you disagree so much with so many of the rules, why do you need religion at all? I have a lot of trouble understanding why somebody like yourself who is a brilliant man, I have trouble understanding why brilliant people can even be religious. Quite frankly, I don't mean that disrespectfully.
CUOMO: [overlapping] Bill-okay. No, Bill, I-
MAHER: [overlapping] But - and it seems like religion is the kind of thing where you either eat the whole wafer or you don't eat it at all. I mean, if you're going to pick all the raisins out, why buy raisin bread?
CUOMO: Well, I'll tell you...Well, for the bread, that's why you buy it.
Cuomo went on to eloquently but effectively school Maher in the concept of the shared values of believers and non-believers alike. Instead of falling into the host's trap of making belief a test of intelligence the pluralistic Catholic offered a more inclusive vision for society.
And apparently Maher was caught off-guard. Since that show aired I have never seen him approach a religiously progressive guest (the recent one-on-one show with Bill Moyers immediately comes to mind) with the same query. Instead he has featured dedicated segments with fellow neo-atheists Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins, both of whom who took the occasion parrot Maher's view of belief in a supreme being as a symptom of delusion and that religious Americans are dumb. Nowhere in the four years since Cuomo has there been a similarly dedicated segment discussing the issue faith with anyone of the Religious Left such as Chris Hedges.
The Cuomo exchange reveals that actually Maher doesn't know much about religion or religious people. While his ignorance is a rolling embarrassment - and no doubt why he is unable to engage serious religious intellectuals and political figures, what is worse is that he views religious faith in much the same light as many on the Religious Right - the only true religion is that of contemporary orthodoxy and any deviation from same is somehow less religious. Maher apparently cannot comprehend that most people are in their way, religios dissenters, and that relatively few are fully orthodox. Religious faith is a means, and not an end, no matter what the orthodox may say.
Maher loaded his question to Cuomo by making the desire for bread conditional upon being only able eat one of many varieties. This is a running theme in the religious world according to Mahar. For example, in his April 11, 2008 dedicated segment with Richard Dawkins the religious were defined as those who believe in talking snakes while those religious who view the Eden story as metaphor are simply "airbrushed out" of the picture.
In Dawkins's most recent appearance guest and host engaged in a tag-teaming put-down of religious Americans (again, after pigeon-holing them within a fundamentalist framework). They took particular glee in disparaging Mormons, painting them as a politically conservative monolith. Reality is quite different. Take for example Stewart Udall the Secretary of the Interior for both JFK and LBJ. Udall was instrumental in bringing to fruition a plethora of progressive environmental legislation. His ardent liberalism was on par with that of his late brother, the former Member of Congress and 1976 presidential candidate Morris Udall..
But perhaps the best example of Maher's botched stereotyping of all Mormons as right-wingers would be Marriner S. Eccles, FDR's Federal Reserve chairman. It was Eccles''s famous quote on credit reliance being akin to the few holding all the chips in a poker game that Maher cited prominently, on his October 17, 2008 show. (I will give Mahar the benefit of the doubt and assume that Mahar did not know about Eccles' Mormonism.) Perhaps it has never occurred to Maher that these famous Mormon liberals found their moral compass within the framework of their faith, not despite it.
Maher the Enabler
By now you may be asking, yourself, how does this aid and abet the agenda of the Religious Right? Well quite simply it plays directly into one of movement conservatism's two favorite themes: godless liberals believe themselves to be superior than the average American (the other being that government does not work).
Here is what I mean: A constant talking point of the Religious Right and their secular apologists is that only the orthodox practice of faith the only legitimate brand. Anything less - such as that practiced by Reform Jews, Mainline Protestants and Vatican II progressive Catholics - is akin to no belief at all. Such an outlook appears to be designed to skew the neo-atheist argument against faith by trying to paint it as being irreconcilable with science and reason.
But at the same time this approach obscures the liberal agenda Maher supports. While it devalues the legitimacy of a true Religious Left (one that strongly supports the separation of church and state instead of one that all-too-often adopts the Religious Right's frame on biological issues) - and further splinters the Left -- it also builds up the Right's straw-man argument that liberalism is hostile to people of faith.
His relentless degradation of poor and working class whites compound Maher's counter-productive attack on faith. During any give broadcast of Real Time the host's constant drumbeat of proclaiming "American dumbness" or description of supposed ignorant toothless rubes is ever-present. If anything he risks turning himself into the posterboy for what movement conservatism says is wrong with liberals.
The Daily Howler's Bob Somerby recently described the upshot of such behavior:
"Big government never did anything well?" As a statement, that's basically false. But as a piece of messaging, that's quite potent, whether we eggheads understand that or not. With great regularity, voters have heard variations on this message for the past fifty years-variations which often fold in the second claim, the one about liberal elites. When George Wallace talked about "those pointy-head government bureaucrats," he was killing two parakeets with one country stone. He was describing a race of people who looked down on average people-and could do nothing well.
Voters have heard those conservative messages for a very long time.
It's easy to be a conservative pundit. In fact, it's the easiest job in the world! You get to work from very clear messaging. And you get to stand opposed by a lazy, inept, careless group-a group which hasn't bothered to develop core messaging in a great many years.
Maher with his continuous insults levied against religious folks and ordinary Americans makes the messaging easier than it should be. And that is in no small part due to Maher's need to kick down at the misled instead of focusing his comic wit solely on the misleaders.
The Issue at Hand
Maher's neo-atheistic pronouncements are of course protected by the First Amendment, and so no matter how bigoted, ignorant or counterproductive, he has every right to say what he says.
But Maher holds himself as being a progressive with a libertarian streak. And yet he constantly shoots the progressive agenda in the foot by splitting the Left in order pursue a personal war against faith.
This being the case, Maher simply does not know what liberal values are truly about, if in fact he holds them at all. He also does not seem to know liberalism's history. Many of the ordinary folks Maher and others like him deride as dumb, were at one time liberalism's core constituency. It is the folks who may have "one tooth" who need liberalism the most. They are the ones who need universal health care and unions. They are the ones for whom liberal lions like John, Robert and Ted Kennedy, and for that matter, Martin Luther King fought. Shall we recall that the day before King was assassinated he had marched with sanitation workers, mostly poor and African American, who were on strike?
None of these, and for that matter, FDR and Harry Truman to mention a few more, never insulted any voter's faith but held high the common dreams and aspirations we all share. A core liberal principle is respect for religious difference. Hostility to religion and to religious people is not a liberal principle.
Stating a case for atheism harms no one. But that is not what Maher does. Instead, he tears down the beliefs of others. Maher should look in the fun house mirror of his own invention to see that in his self-righteous certitude, he mirrors the Religious Rightists who engage in similar behavior towards atheists, agnostics and non-orthodox people of faith.
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Bill Maher
I don't worry about Bill Maher. He is an intelligent, funny, misguided man. He is also a sad human being and most people I know recognize that. As a member of the religious right that you have contempt for I can only tell you that my concern is for Salvation. I don't care where you go to church or if you go to church. I have friends in several denominations. Actually, I don't think God cares what "club" you belong to as long as you come to Him through His Son Jesus Christ. Do I judge those that are not Christian? No. That is between the non-Christian and God Almighty to work out. It is none of my business. casino online
Intelligence?
I agree that Cuomo's appearance was good. It's Maher's job to constantly ask trap questions and make fun of/smear other people's beliefs. Not just religion. Whether Maher understands it or not, but in case he's an atheists he's a believer too. The point is, when it comes to god and spirituality, science and intelligence cannot fathom or describe it. That is, intelligence of the mind. But not the intelligence of the heart. Who knows, maybe Maher will connect more with his heart one day.
re: Intelligence?
Dennis --
I don't understand why you write "Whether Maher understands it or not, but in case he's an atheist, he's a believer, too."
Although everyone has some kind of "faith" or "ultimate concern", it need not be a faith in a theistic being, much less a set of theistic beliefs. It could be as crass as a faith in what William James called "the bitch-goddess success".
An atheist is by definition not a believer. And not all practicing Christians are "believers" in that sense,either. One can follow by faith, without beliefs. That is, without any set of propositional statements that describe an hypothesized ultimate truth.
Bill
Labels: a necessary evil
I agree with you about the inherent dangers with labels; however I regard them as a necessary evil. Maher's views and affiliations place him with what is generally known as "the left" in current parlance, so I use the term with full awareness of its imperfections.
Necessary evil?
What's necessary about any evil, Bill?
Although classifying Maher as being on the left is reasonable, at least in terms of current parlance, it's easy to perpetuate a false notion of "the left" as being some unitary Thing that has an Essential Nature.
Whereas Frank appropriately pointed out how Maher plays into the favorite themes of those who oppose "the left", your comments appeared to endorse, inadvertently, I assume, those themes -- that "the left" is elitist and anti-theist, and smug. (I'm not sure what you mean by "raging xenophobia" on 'the left'. I thought we're supposed to be pro-immigrant while our opponents are the xenophobic ones.)
"Left" and "right" are words that are used to divide us. They're very useful in preventing a truly broad populist movement from developing. The words obscure large areas of agreement about what's wrong in our country and in the world. More on that later, in a blog entry.
I think we can avoid the unadorned terms 'left' and 'right'. I try to distance them by using quotation marks around them, or by using qualifying constructions (like "many Republicans" or "those who Rush Limbaugh calls 'radicals' or 'extreme leftists'", or "self-described members of "the Religious Right") or by describing some particular political position, like anti-torture or pro-Patriot Act, etc.
Bill
Yes, necessary evil
"What's necessary about any evil, Bill?"
D-Day is a great example of a necessary evil, off the top of my head.
"Whereas Frank appropriately pointed out how Maher plays into the favorite themes of those who oppose "the left", your comments appeared to endorse, inadvertently, I assume, those themes -- that "the left" is elitist and anti-theist, and smug. (I'm not sure what you mean by "raging xenophobia" on 'the left'. I thought we're supposed to be pro-immigrant while our opponents are the xenophobic ones.)"
No, my comments did no such thing. As far as leftist elitism and xenophobia, you'd have to be a southerner who has talked to enough northerners to understand. It's amazing how many people who've never visited the region just know that we're backwards, racist, sister-marrying moonshiners with no teeth who run around in bed sheets burning crosses.
As far as "us" being pro-immigrant and "them" not, that's not necessarily so. Talk to any conservative with libertarian economic leanings and you'll get just the opposite perspective. Also, have a chat with supposedly left-leaning trade unionists about immigrants, and you'll hear another perspective with a few foul words tossed into the mix.
"Left" and "right" are words that are used to divide us. They're very useful in preventing a truly broad populist movement from developing. The words obscure large areas of agreement about what's wrong in our country and in the world. More on that later, in a blog entry."
Of course they're used to divide us. That's because we are divided ideologically, geographically, economically, etc., and for purposes of analysis and classification, we need terms that reflect those divisions. As far as them preventing a broad populist movement, I couldn't disagree more. We should acknowledge our differences and transcend them, not pretend they're not there.
"I think we can avoid the unadorned terms 'left' and 'right'. I try to distance them by using quotation marks around them, or by using qualifying constructions (like "many Republicans" or "those who Rush Limbaugh calls 'radicals' or 'extreme leftists'", or "self-described members of "the Religious Right") or by describing some particular political position, like anti-torture or pro-Patriot Act, etc."
I fail to see the value of using the terms with quotation marks added. You of course have a right to your opinion, but I disagree with it. And that's the last I have to say on the matter. Peace.
More on labels, necessary evils
Alas, I have more to say on the issue -- not to be persnickety but because I think there's a key issue here.
I wrote to you: "What's necessary about any evil, Bill?"
You answered: D-Day is a great example of a necessary evil, off the top of my head.
I have something to say on that, but I'll let it pass for now and will write a separate blog entry on it, so that this thread doesn't diverge in too many directions.
Although I want to stick to the main issue of "labels", I'll say in passing that war isn't a good example of an evil that's necessary. Anytime that we're in the middle of an armed conflict, it seems to make sense that some aspect of it, viewed as an isolated event, is necessary. But the entire chain of events isn't necessary and is clearly evil. Even if one takes a Just War position, I believe that our war technology makes wars unjust because of disproportionality, at the very least.
I wrote: "Whereas Frank appropriately pointed out how Maher plays into the favorite themes of those who oppose "the left", your comments appeared to endorse, inadvertently, I assume, those themes -- that "the left" is elitist and anti-theist, and smug. (I'm not sure what you mean by "raging xenophobia" on 'the left'. I thought we're supposed to be pro-immigrant while our opponents are the xenophobic ones.)"
You answered: No, my comments did no such thing.
My comment: I said "appeared to endorse, inadvertently". The way you wrote it allows that impression, since you said that these characteristics are what's "what's worst about the Left".
You wrote: As far as leftist elitism and xenophobia, you'd have to be a southerner who has talked to enough northerners to understand. It's amazing how many people who've never visited the region just know that we're backwards, racist, sister-marrying moonshiners with no teeth who run around in bed sheets burning crosses.
My comment: My impression is that you're applying the labels of elitism and xenophobia exclusively to the Left. It's more of a "Yankee/Southerner" thing, and not typical of all "Yankees", either. (Re: xenophobia: I've never heard that word applied to hostility to the South, not even during the years that I lived in Mississippi.)
You wrote: As far as "us" being pro-immigrant and "them" not, that's not necessarily so. Talk to any conservative with libertarian economic leanings and you'll get just the opposite perspective. Also, have a chat with supposedly left-leaning trade unionists about immigrants, and you'll hear another perspective with a few foul words tossed into the mix.
My comment: I've talked to "conservatives" with "libertarian" economic leanings and have read Ron Paul's views on the subject, and have found them, and him, strongly anti-"illegals" but in favor of bringing in cheap foreign labor when businesses find it useful. I'm with the Catholic Workers and with the faith-based community organizations that are part of the Jobs With Justice and Interfaith Worker Justice networks that advocate for Civil Rights for Immigrants (including the undocumented).
As for trade unionists, I like the way you use the phrase "supposedly left-leaning trade unionists". That's exactly what I had in mind in inveighing against labels, since union members aren't generally "leftists" in any meaningful sense, even if most unions line up with the Democrats. Being to the "right" of the most vocal of the current Republicans doesn't make one a "leftist" or even a "liberal".
I wrote: "Left" and "right" are words that are used to divide us. They're very useful in preventing a truly broad populist movement from developing. The words obscure large areas of agreement about what's wrong in our country and in the world. More on that later, in a blog entry."
You wrote: Of course they're used to divide us. That's because we are divided ideologically, geographically, economically, etc., and for purposes of analysis and classification, we need terms that reflect those divisions. As far as them preventing a broad populist movement, I couldn't disagree more. We should acknowledge our differences and transcend them, not pretend they're not there.
Now we come to my main point, and the reason that I've persisted in this exchange: Of course we're divided. But "left" vs. "right" doesn't reflect an accurate analysis and classification. Values, opinions, and understandings of "facts" vary widely but don't clump together in such a simple way as left-center-right. That's a one-dimensional model of a multi-dimensional world. And we when we look at things in a multi-dimensional way, we can see that very many of us are united in many ways that cross conventional left/right distinctions.
Regarding a broad populist movement, my view is that we not only need to acknowledge our differences and transcend them, which is always a good thing to do, but we also need to discover our convergences and agreements. Because they exist. Case in point: I recently was invited to speak at a "Tea Party" type of rally in Troy NY, across the river from Albany and a bit north. My topic was Corporate Power and Corporate Personhood, from an anti-corporatist point of view. They loved it. And the organizers were in complete agreement that we have enough areas of deep agreement that make it possible for us to work on building a broad populist movement that goes beyond left and right. And that we can discuss and argue in a friendly way those things about which we disagree.
So four of us from each "side" are meeting together and planning what we intend to be the first in a series of dialogues on issues and on transcending left/right. Our first event will be a week or so after election day, and we're working on venue, speakers, and moderator. (And we acknowledge that "side" is a poor choice of words: everyone has wound up pronouncing it in a way that indicates that there are quotation marks around it.) We know that there will be extremists who won't agree -- the broad populist movement, if it happens, won't include all "populists".
I wrote: "I think we can avoid the unadorned terms 'left' and 'right'. I try to distance them by using quotation marks around them, or by using qualifying constructions (like "many Republicans" or "those who Rush Limbaugh calls 'radicals' or 'extreme leftists'", or "self-described members of "the Religious Right") or by describing some particular political position, like anti-torture or pro-Patriot Act, etc."
You responded: I fail to see the value of using the terms with quotation marks added. You of course have a right to your opinion, but I disagree with it. And that's the last I have to say on the matter. Peace.
I say: the value to me is that the quotation marks remind us that these are inaccurate words that we use only for convenience and speed. When we're involved in serious discourse I think it's better to avoid them in favor of more accurate descriptions. Peace/shalom/salaam....
Excellent Point
You hit the nail on the head. Bill Maher represents everything that is worst about the Left: the elitism, the anti-theism and the raging xenophobia masquerading as smugness. With friends like him enemies are scarcely needed.
"the Left"?
Bill,
I trust that your citing of what "is worst about the Left" isn't meant as a characterization of some kind of "one wafer" (to quote Maher) version of what we blithely label as "the left". I think labels are one of the great enemies of clear thinking -- they too often lead to "essentialism", to tarring disparate groups of people with one very broad brush.
I wish we could swear off using labels for a year or so. It would be helpful to focus on particulars of people, policies, and ideologies. "Left" v. "Right" is such an inadequate model. One dimension can't describe the multiple dimensions of our political values and thoughts.
Bill